Quantrill

Anybody familiar with that guy?  Think he's KGC?

One book is "Quantrill's War"--Duane Schultz, which my good friend Siegfried gave me.  

It is not a KGC book.  But it is a Must Read for CW buffs.

I think you opened a BIG can of worms Belle........ Get ready to hear alot of far fetched stories and a few acts, lol.

Yes, and please be careful, the KGC still exist. I met two of them yesterday. You can never meet nicer people and hospitable but all I can say be careful what you say and to whom. The KGC lives.

Oh but I do!   

Quantrill came through my area, as did Morgan and his raiders. Whether or not they were KGC, I don't know. But I believe some of the stories you read about them are true, at least in part.

bloody bill --bloody belle hummm

Hi Belle.  Quantrill was definitely KGC as were all of his men. 

http://knightsofthegoldencircle.webs.com

~Texas Jay

William Clarke Quantrill was not only KGC but served as the president of the 12 men inner circle of the KGC for many years after the Civil War (YES... contrary to commonly published history he did NOT die from a spine severing bullet wound in a barn on a doctor's farm in Kentucky but escaped to live a very full life after the Civil War was "officially" over.).

He took the alias of DeWitt Travis and resided in East Texas where many of his descendants can still be found.

As for the naysayers who will no doubt attack with great vigor these comments.... 

bloody bill --bloody belle hummm

Oh but you're not done.  Hint:  Friend to any brave and gallant outlaw.

belle starr

belle starr

Who _______________________.  Fill in the banks.   

Dewitt Travis "the Texas oilman" was Quantrell? Now I've heard it all. I think even Texas Jay would disagree with that one. Dewitt Travis was not even close to being old enough to be Quantrell. I bet you mean Elbert Dewitt Travis who died in Canton Texas in 1905.  

   Hey it's great to hear from AnOldPro anytime.  No matter what yarn he's
bugling.  Good to have you back on the forum.  Stick around awile this time.
Please don't start chunking rocks at him because he is one of the true Pros
still around in the world of cache hunting.  Exanimo.

Any argument will do, right SWR? What happened, did they kick you off the LRL threads?

If yall found a membership roll that would be cool. Without them it is hard to know KGC unless Bickley referred to them as KGC by name or some other known member did. Quantrell was imprisoned by a known KGC member Henry McCulloch. Thats no way to treat a brother Knight if the story is true.

Oh poo.  Poor "Belle Starr" gets no respect.

Hi Belle.  Quantrill was definitely KGC as were all of his men. 

http://knightsofthegoldencircle.webs.com

~Texas Jay

The link goes to your blog, Jay.

Did you have some real sources that show Quantrill and his men to be KGC members?

Don't take this to be an endorsement of any kind.

I have a GGG (G?) uncle who was with Quantrll, and in the original James Gang.  He is mentioned in a lot of history books with Frank and Jessie during the war. 

Jessie and Frank were his pals - they all grew up near each other.  Blah blah blah.  I went to the James Family forum to ask about him and they told me he was a big player.  Have any of you heard of him?  I doubt it - do I care - not one bit.  So there you are.

I have found documented  evidence that his older brother who moved out to CA in 1850 was KGC.  For what that is worth - but I have yet to find any evidence that he was.  So there you go.  Along with Frank James - he was the only other member of the gang to not die a death at the hands of the government (if you believe JJ was shot....) 

So I can't make a connection.  Does that mean there isn't one - no.  Just I have yet to find one. 


 

Hi Belle.  Quantrill was definitely KGC as were all of his men. 

http://knightsofthegoldencircle.webs.com

~Texas Jay

The link goes to your blog, Jay.

Did you have some real sources that show Quantrill and his men to be KGC members?

Don't take this to be an endorsement of any kind.

I have a GGG (G?) uncle who was with Quantrll, and in the original James Gang.  He is mentioned in a lot of history books with Frank and Jessie during the war. 

Jessie and Frank were his pals - they all grew up near each other.  Blah blah blah.  I went to the James Family forum to ask about him and they told me he was a big player.  Have any of you heard of him?  I doubt it - do I care - not one bit.  So there you are.

I have found documented  evidence that his older brother who moved out to CA in 1850 was KGC.  For what that is worth - but I have yet to find any evidence that he was.  So there you go.  Along with Frank James - he was the only other member of the gang to not die a death at the hands of the government (if you believe JJ was shot....) 

So I can't make a connection.  Does that mean there isn't one - no.  Just I have yet to find one. 


 

Does your uncle have a name?

TNWOODS-  The only member of the gang other than Frank James not to die at the hands of the government??  Maybe you need to invest some time into research!!!!!  Cole Younger was a member too.  Played a large role in the dealings of the James Gang.  And he died piecefully at the house, as an old man. Where the hell did you get that ALL other members of the gang died by the hands of the government, and just you uncle and Frank lived to be old?  Come on.........

Cole slipped my mind.  Sorry.

Actually - from an MO newspaper - which listed every known member and how they met their untimely deaths at the hands of posse's, hanging, shootings.  Should I have said my guy was the only one that died of old age and didn't go to jail?   

My memory slip compared to Jay complete fantasy......

Does your uncle have a name?

I guess not.

Man - how many times must I post the same information before you and Jay see it?

Jackson C. Bishop.  Jack Bishop

 

Can't wait to see what comes next.

Here, I will help you get started on your research.

Page 457

http://books.google.com/books?id=FG...age&q=jack%20bishop&f=false

After Anderson was killed, David Pool took over his command.but you knew that, didn't you.
 
Page 333,
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...&q=%20jack%20bishop&f=false
 
page 459
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...r%20war%20jack%20bishop&f=false

page 220
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...&q=%20jack%20bishop&f=false
 
page 336
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...&q=%20jack%20bishop&f=false

page 332
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...&q=%20jack%20bishop&f=false

I could go on, but there is no point.

Here, I will help you get started on your research.

Page 457

http://books.google.com/books?id=FG...age&q=jack%20bishop&f=false

After Anderson was killed, David Pool took over his command.but you knew that, didn't you.
 
Page 333,
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...&q=%20jack%20bishop&f=false
 
page 459
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...r%20war%20jack%20bishop&f=false

page 220
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...&q=%20jack%20bishop&f=false
 
page 336
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...&q=%20jack%20bishop&f=false

page 332
http://books.google.com/books?id=3E...&q=%20jack%20bishop&f=false

I could go on, but there is no point.

Believe me, I have better things to do than research your family history. I do research my family history, and sometimes I ask about names because they just might be in my database, etc. I don't know your uncle, nor do I care to learn bout him. Trust me. also, I'm sorry if I missed the name before.

I'm sorry.  Jay said his "Partner was demanding to know my relatives name in the next thread". Or something equally goofy.

I assumed that meant you wanted to look up my history and so you and Jay could come up with a reason to denounce me, as he denounces everyone in the James family and both Anderson families, as liars and truth deniers.

If this was not your intent, than I sincerely apologize.  Unlike Jay, I have documented historical facts on my side.

Cheers!

I'm sorry.  Jay said his "Partner was demanding to know my relatives name in the next thread". Or something equally goofy.

I assumed that meant you wanted to look up my history and so you and Jay could come up with a reason to denounce me, as he denounces everyone in the James family and both Anderson families, as liars and truth deniers.

If this was not your intent, than I sincerely apologize.  Unlike Jay, I have documented historical facts on my side.

Cheers!

I can understand your problem, but that was not my intent.

Belle,
I've been studying the Civil War on the Missouri-Kansas border for nigh onto 40 years.  Forget Schultz's book.  The most complete and accurate single book on Quantrill is Ed Leslie's "The Devil Knows How To Ride." 

The KCG in Missouri were mostly civilians who secretly sympathized with the South.  Nobody that was actively fighting had reason to join.

Belle,
I've been studying the Civil War on the Missouri-Kansas border for nigh onto 40 years.  Forget Schultz's book.  The most complete and accurate single book on Quantrill is Ed Leslie's "The Devil Knows How To Ride." 

The KCG in Missouri were mostly civilians who secretly sympathized with the South.  Nobody that was actively fighting had reason to join.

Excellent book, and excellent point.