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Posted Jun 06, 2006, 11:14:04 pm

First, a little history about me. This way, you will know where I am coming from. I was raised by my paternal Grandparents in New Orleans, La. My Grandfather owned a couple of New Car Dealerships and a Stable of Tennessee Walking Horses and Sulky Racers. My Grandfather's first name was (dead now) Bedford. He was named after Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, one of the founders of the Ku Klux Klan. My GGGrandfather was a 1st Lt. Walter R. McChesney of C Company, Kentucky 13th Volunteer Cavalry CSA(AKA Sypert's 13th). He was captured at Marshall, Al in 1864 and rode out the rest of the war in POW Camp (Don't know which one). Growing up, I helped David Duke (former Imperial Wizard of the KKK, and refounder of the Klan in Louisiana in the 70's) campaign for the Louisiana State Senate in 1975 (I put up posters, I was 12 years old). David Duke is a very intelligent and well spoken guy, but when he says all the racist stuff is only in his past, don't believe him. He was a racist, and will remain one until the day he dies (most likely)! I knew Ex-Sheriff Larry Rainey(Lawrence A. Rainey). He was the Sheriff of Neshoba County, Mississippi in 1964 when the three civil rights workers were murdered (See Mississippi Burning). After receiving a Not-Guilty Verdict in the Federal Trial, he moved to New Orleans (actually Metairie), and opened up a neighborhood bar.  Now Back to me.....Growing up, I was the most racist, bigoted kid imaginable. Never actually joined the Klan though. Most of my racism stemmed from the fact that I went to Private Schools my whole life, and the only blacks I knew were my mammy (yes, I had a mammy), Hester, and her husband Coler, who kept my grandfather's horses. This is a fine lesson in "What you don't know CAN hurt you!" I graduated High School early and went into the military. OH MY GOD! I had to live with blacks, hispanics, Asians, and gays! CULTURE SHOCK! For a while, I stayed with my kind, but little by little, I began to get to know some of the cooler black guys, and found out they were great to hang out with (they taught me how to play spades and tonk and throw dice Grin). I became sort of their "Anti-Racism Project" It was then, that I had what alcoholics call a "Moment of Clarity." I thought to myself, "How could I have been so wrong for so long?" Ever since that one moment in 1980, I was a changed man (see what the military does for you?). Now on to the story...........

Growing up around the KKK, I was privy to hear certain aspects of Southern History you just don't get in books. I actually read in a post where somebody said (and I quote) "The REAL reason for the Civil War wasn't for the darkies. It was because the North was jealous of the South's riches!" Find TChimes' post about finding the metal box (Chimes didn't make the statement, that was someone else). This couldn't be farther from the truth. I inherited the two volume set of books "The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government" by Jefferson L. Davis. They were published in 1881 (I believe, I'll have to get them out of storage and see), eight years before he died. These books are recommended reading for anyone wanting to know about the Civil War from the perspective of the President of the Confederacy. I'll post a thread about that at another time.

There was a good amount of money hidden by the fleeing Confederates near the end of the Civil War. Many were killed in the fighting, and many died in POW Camps such as Camp Douglas (Over 6000 dead from disease and mistreatment). Before you say anything, I know the South had Andersonville. There were several bad ones on both sides. In 1866, several former Confederate Soldiers (the highest ranking was General Nathan Bedford Forrest) founded the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

They got the name from the Greek word "Kyklos" (pronounced "koo-close")which means "Circle" and Clan (Ku Klux Klan). "Knights of the Clan of the Circle" basically. Is it starting to come together now? As of about 1867 there was only one KKK. Composed entirely of former Confederate Soldiers and Southern Sympathizers, their goal was to fight Reconstruction, harass the Carpet Baggers, harass Southern Republicans, and keep the blacks down. As ex-soldiers were joining the ranks, some of them told stories about how soldier buddies in the POW Camps had told them about buried gold before dying, and some of them had first hand knowledge about where some of these treasures and weapons caches were hidden. General Forrest (Who was the first Grand Wizard), decided that general knowledge about secret gold and weapons caches was much too dangerous for the majority of the ranks to know about.

General Forrest formed the Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC) in about 1868 from the groups most trustworthy and rabid anti-union troops. Their purpose was to research, hunt down, dig up, and bring in, any hidden caches of Gold and/or weapons that they could use. They did after all, plan on resurrecting the Confederacy, and they would need a lot of gold and guns to do it.

Supposedly, they were quite successful, and found help anywhere they went in the former Southern States. Their activities were always kept secret, and the locations of reburials were known to VERY FEW.

As far as Jesse and Frank James being members of the KGC, I have no knowledge, but he was a loyal fighter, and a rabid anti-unionist. I doubt it though. He was always too busy running from the law to have the time to research and hunt down hidden caches.

I have read the books about Albert Pike and how the KGC was a Secret Society that started the Civil War. I believe that to be a bunch of crap. There are no memorandum, membership lists, or anything else to even prove that there ever was a KGC in the first place. From what I learned growing up, I believe that the KGC was real, and the fact that there is still a KKK says to me that there might still be a KGC.

Here is how the two names are related:
1. KKK = Knights of the KyKlos (Koo-close, bast**dized to Ku Klux) Clan. "Knights of the Circle Clan"
2. KGC = Knights of the Golden Circle (They were after gold, and they were in the circle).

This is the history as I learned it.


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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Jun 07, 2006, 03:23:00 am

Mike,
This is one of the best posts I have ever read on TNet. I can definitely identify with your epiphany in the service. I went in as a green as grass Southern boy and came out a changed man.
As far as the KGC, there is so little real information out there that your piece fills in some gaps.
Don't know if any KGC are still out there, seems to me that it's been so long that the newer generations would be less committed. I'm sure that somebody would have dug them up by now.
Thanks for the background sketch. Always interesting to find out about the fascinating folks on here.

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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Jun 07, 2006, 04:18:14 am

"Camp Douglas (Over 6000 dead from disease and mistreatment)"
which is in chicago near the south side close to the lake i forget the college its very close to(Loyola?)...agreed,not the average yes there is no there isnt blah blah, very well writen i enjoy a fine crafted story/research/personal account such as the above...9 out of 10 only because theres no pictures... ;) i beleive this  more then some of the other drivel ive read about this subject......

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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Jun 26, 2006, 06:32:56 pm

great info. Id love to read those volumes. im sure their are alot of misleading info with regard to all historical accounts. epecially since all of history is point of view.   KGC KKK the masons. some who i think are al connected.  i think taking a look at civil war camps and the clues they have to share would be worth the time and effort .  thanks for all the info.

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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Jun 27, 2006, 04:17:07 am

wow i thought this thread got toasted a month ago hope maybe to hear more  from you gollum ,honest, great account

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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Jun 27, 2006, 05:14:14 am

Gollum, first I want to say I totally identify with your military background. I grew up in an entirely white county, went to school at an entirely white school, etc etc. My best friend in the military turned out to be a black guy, after some serious rethinking from me of course.

As far as the KGC, I personally never believed in them. Sure I've heard stories about them, but never have I seen any hard evidence pointing in the direction that there is currently this mystical group. I would be pleasantly surprised if there was, because that would mean there are millions buried all over the place, but chances are its not true.... Now, let me give you my theory on what did happen...

Lets rewind your post to the point where you talk about the original KKK. I know the background of the KKK pretty well, I've even done a few research papers on them. I do believe that they were trying to revitalive the confederacy, and I do believe that there was several caches of money and precious items buried and found by them. One thing that is important to remember is that the caches that were worth the absolute most money were more than likely not military in nature, and consisted of personal belongings of towns. There is documented evidence of at least 2 occurances where a town buried all their precious metals and money in hopes the union army would not find it. I believe one of those towns ended up being massacred if memory serves me correct.... It stands to reason that there were more than just 2 of these occurances happen, and that it was probably a regular thing whenever opposing troops began marching into town.
Anyway, that was a slight bit off topic, but I feel that is very important to note that the confederacy was financially dead. There are of course rumors of huge caches being scattered throughout the south, but in my opinion and in my research, there is more than likely no such animal.
I do believe the weapons cache was the most important thing for these early KKK members to find, and I do believe that they did find several of them, and I have no doubt that they found some money also. The problem I believe was lack of participation. The KKK never got big enough in those early days to become a serious threat, and most southern boys just didn't want to go back to war then. Towns were destroyed, families lost and scattered or even worse, dead. They had to rebuild their lives, and with the slaves freed, they had to pay them now to work the land, so times were very tough back then.
What seems like a probable theory to me concerning the KGC is one of two things:
A. Your idea that it was founded as a part of the KKK to look for hidden treasures, in which case I don't think they did very well and were disbanded.
B. A miscommunication of the KKK. I think the mostly likely thing is that people talked about them, but as with all scuttlebutt, it changed names and became something different. Years later it came up in conversation with someone, and viola, the legend of the KGC, and its had treasure hunters digging up the south since.

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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Jun 27, 2006, 05:20:09 am

hmmm healthy doubt i look forward to see further post2 from you 2 not the other crack pots on this one.........

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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Jun 27, 2006, 06:29:59 am

info book.....  isbn #09646846-2-4    '' knights of the golden circle , treason history, sons of liberty, 1864 ''  by felix g stidger     stidger was a u.s. govt spy who infiltrated the kgc and witnessed against several of their trials in the courts....while not showing every aspect of what was going on it does show alot of info concerning them, their structure, and their intentions....also shows they predated the klan, which was actually an offshoot of the kgc until the klan started getting too heavy handed, in 1869 i believe, at which time the kgc and nathan bedford forrest denounced them, and cut all ''known'' ties to the klan..............also on another thread here i have posted a link to 40 some odd pages of the minutes of a kgc convention held in raliegh n.c. in 1863, which also shows they predated the klan.......gldhntr
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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Jun 27, 2006, 06:33:34 am

here is the link.........  .   http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?...ing=Items+Printed+in+North+Carolina           scroll down and click on  # 14..................shows actual copy of every page concerning the meeting.................gldhntr
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info book.....  isbn #09646846-2-4    '' knights of the golden circle , treason history, sons of liberty, 1864 ''  by felix g stidger     stidger was a u.s. govt spy who infiltrated the kgc and witnessed against several of their trials in the courts....while not showing every aspect of what was going on it does show alot of info concerning them, their structure, and their intentions....also shows they predated the klan, which was actually an offshoot of the kgc until the klan started getting too heavy handed, in 1869 i believe, at which time the kgc and nathan bedford forrest denounced them, and cut all ''known'' ties to the klan..............also on another thread here i have posted a link to 40 some odd pages of the minutes of a kgc convention held in raliegh n.c. in 1863, which also shows they predated the klan.......gldhntr

gldhntr, you got me interested and I read your link, and then I did some more searching, and found some very interesting things out.
The KGC did exsist, but had absolutely nothing to do with money... Well, hiding money that is. It was originally founded to promote Southern interests and prepare the way for annexation of a "golden circle" of territories in Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean.
The founder was George Bickley, and if you do any research on him, he was a doctor, who many times fled whatever area he was in to escape creditors (this while heading the KGC).
Based on your link, he had grand plans to invade and conquer Mexico, and it seems his plans were thwarted when Texas gave up New Mexico to the Federal government, and then the government acquired CA and AZ. The KGC changed its agenda from annexation to the secessionist movement after Lincoln was elected, and aided the Confederate cause by most of the men joining the army. That in no way signifies that they got ahold of any secret hoard of money, it means that many of its members became regular enlisted men fighting for the cause they were supporting in the KGC, which was the right to own slaves.
The KGC went through several name changes, the sons of liberty being the last, and it seems it dissolved in 1864.

There has been speculation of Jesse James being a member of the KGC, and now that seems to be a very plausable idea. Jesse more than likely was part of a large community in the west who did not want the federal government to control the new states, and more than likely did join one of the local chapters of KGC. I mean, honestly, he certainly would rather have a just a territory after him instead of the federal government and its manpower!

So in conclusion, the KGC did exsist prior to the KKK, by about 12 years. The KGC, operating as the sons of liberty, disbanded in 1864, and the KKK had its first incarnation in 1866.
The KGC was not a racist movement by the way, it was a slave movement. There is a big difference. Slaves were a very important part of the southern way of life back then, and the KGC was trying to thwart the abolishment movement by creating a "golden circle" OUTSIDE of the American jurasdiction, where slavery could continue without fear of the federal government.

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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Jun 27, 2006, 12:07:49 pm

One other thing... reading through the pages, somewhere in the last group, it mentions the Grand Architect of the Universe.... That is the way and manner in which the Freemasons refer to God. Plus, the KGC formed "temples" or "castles", much like the freemasons had temples (now lodges).

My honest opinion of the KGC stands at this: They were another one of the secret organizations that were all the rage back in the mid 1800s, molding itself after the freemasons to an extent (chances are that Bickley was a Freemason). This also opens the door back wide for the theory that Albert Pike was a member of the KGC, however that would go against the masonic teachings of joining a clandistine lodge I would believe... interesting..... The KGC had a larger purpose than the other secret groups, but this idea is still very plausable.
Now tonight when I get home from work I am going to do some real research into this, but for now my opinion stands.

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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Jun 27, 2006, 01:50:47 pm

wow i thought this thread got toasted a month ago hope maybe to hear more  from you gollum ,honest, great account

I'm just as shocked as you are!

Well, here goes back to family history again. Ist Lt. Walter R McChesney was one of those guys in a POW Camp who heard stories from other POWs about them burying weapons and money caches before being captured. Now, do I believe that all those stories were true? Not by a long shot. I could see them lying about something like that to get better treatment as a POW from their captors in the hopes of getting a share after the war ended. I could also see lying about these things after the war to get in good with the folks back home. I mean, if you were the lone survivor of a platoon of Confederates who buried a half million dollars in gold, you would be a very big man in the destitute towns of the South during Reconstruction.

As far as the KGC prior to 1868, the only information I have is what everybody else has seen. I too think it was dead by 1864. I know it was revived by Gen. Forrest in about 1868. There was no KKK in Louisiana for many years until David Duke revived it in the early seventies. More than likely he decided to reuse the name because it already had a certain mysterious and powerful aire about it, and the name also fit in exactly with what he wanted it's mission to be. Once again, there were MANY people of the former Confederate States of America who wanted the South to regain it's former glory. With all those stories of secret buried caches of weapons and gold, he wanted a group of loyal Southerners to investigate and reclaim these caches in the name of the South!

I still don't believe Jesse James was a member (unless in name only, for the PR benefits) of the KGC, because he was always running from the law. He wouldn't have had the time to be doing research required to find secret caches. There is one picture of the James Gang. They were in hiding at the time, and were working in a barrell factory. They took an employee picture, and several of the employees are holding their hands and legs displaying something like gangsigns for the camera. I have the picture, and don't REALLY see the signs. I think another reason that people may believe Jesse James was in the KGC was that while running from the law, he would say or do anything to get the locals to help him with a hideout or suppplies and horses. If he let it be known that he was in the KGC, any Southerner would give him aid because he was still fighting the good fight.

I don't believe that the KGC had anything to do with the Freemasons. Like CryptoDave stated, the Freemasons forbids its' members having anything to do with a clandestine lodge. I do believe that the KGC was a comletely separate organization, but probably shared it's members with the Freemasons. The post 1868 KGC had nothing to do with religion, and was solely for the purpose of rebuilding the South.

That is the reason why you don't hear anything about the KGC after 1864. Prior to this, the KGC wanted some notariety. After the Civil War, their best ally was to everybody believe they KGC no longer existed, so they could do their work without interruption. I forget what movie it was, but there is a great quote "The best trick the devil ever played was making the world believe he didn't exist"

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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Jun 27, 2006, 07:40:03 pm

while i can not at this time post particulars due to confidentiality issues i can say without a doubt that pike was involved, that they {kgc} were in full swing in 1865, were more involved in the disappearing act of the treasury funds than most realize, and existed at least until the late 1920s....i know of and  have seen original documents and pictures that prove it beyond a shadow of doubt..i am not talking about printed books or much seen so called treasure maps............gldhntr
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Reply To This Topic #13 Posted Jun 28, 2006, 05:05:29 am

while i can not at this time post particulars due to confidentiality issues i can say without a doubt that pike was involved, that they {kgc} were in full swing in 1865, were more involved in the disappearing act of the treasury funds than most realize, and existed at least until the late 1920s....i know of and  have seen original documents and pictures that prove it beyond a shadow of doubt..i am not talking about printed books or much seen so called treasure maps............gldhntr

And see gld, that is why I have a hard time believing in the whole KGC myth. There is no hard evidence showing that they did what people talk about. Now if I had access to somehting that proved me wrong, then maybe I woul change my mind... And trust me, I'm not one who doesn't believe in treasure legends, because I believe the Beale cipher is real.
Unless anything you have is located in the proximity of the outer banks of NC or tidewater area of VA, then I am not very interested in searching any treasure out, so more than likely your secrets are entirely safe with me. If you could provide some kind of proof to me, I would be more than willing to change my opinion.

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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Jun 29, 2006, 04:29:55 am

Think about this, what is in it for anyone to prove to you that the KGC existed and buried treasure???!!!  Maybe you'll actually have to hunt down (do research) for yourself.  I too started out as a non-believer when I first heard of the KGC 10 years ago...
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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Jun 29, 2006, 05:23:39 am

The "KGC" as we 'know it' today is essentially disinformation fostered by those whose desire is to keep eager souls such as those who read this forum running in endless circles for months, years and lifetimes.  Those selling books, maps and expertise are the only ones benefitting from the legends.  Despite veiled hints and even stronger claims made by many book writers and forum posters over the years, no significent recoveries have been made.  There have been a number recoveries of outlaw loot made (particularly in Oklahoma), but these caches and the clues leading to them have nothing to do with the currently accepted 'KGC', IMHO.

Are the 'KGC carvings' that have been found in abundance in many, many locations genuine?  Yes, they were created by persons unknown for two purposes: to mark extremely valuable caches (assumed) and to lead outsiders searching for these caches astray (confirmed).  Yes, these clues form brilliant patterns of sacred geometry and contain quite cleverly coded information that lead the searcher to yet more clues.  Outsiders (us) will never solve these puzzles - only those in the know can.  Do any of you really believe that wealth of this purported magnitude will ever be in jeopardy of being discovered?  No, because the keys to recovery are too closely held and in no way can be intuited from carvings found in the field.  These keys are not going to surface in old trunks, family bibles, books, magazines or public forums.  Think about it.

Having found a number of such carvings myself, with more being located each year, I admit I'm just as curious today as I was 30 years ago when I began searching in earnest.  There's something happening, but we don't know what it is, Mr. Jones.  I'll keep exploring the canyons while I'm able, but in no way do I believe any of those who claim to know how these puzzles can be solved.  The clues always seem to lead to more clues, which isn't a bad thing - it keeps the searcher's mind sharp and his legs in good shape.  The people responsible for all this are masters of human psychology and are quite aware that we can be easily brainwashed to believe damned near anything.  The recent 'KGC' mania is the TH's version of WMD.


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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Jun 29, 2006, 12:57:49 pm

The people responsible for all this are masters of human psychology and are quite aware that we can be easily brainwashed to believe damned near anything.  The recent 'KGC' mania is the TH's version of WMD.

Oh God, NOT MORE BUSH BASHING! Huh I will only say this one time. This is the TREASURE HUNTING part of this forum. If you want to regurgitate your left-wing spew, go to the POLITICAL FORUMS! And by the way, which WMD are you talking about? Do you mean the WMD that Saddam used to kill a couple  hundred thousand Kurds? Did you mean the WMDs that Saddam used against Iran? Were you alluding to the WMDs that Saddam's Former Air Force Chief Staff swears under oath that were sent to Northern Syria before the US Invasion, or did you mean the WMDs that we found about 500 of over the last two years IN IRAQ? I'm confused. I just don't know which WMDs you are referring to. Huh Huh Grin Grin

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Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Jun 29, 2006, 01:10:37 pm

The "KGC" as we 'know it' today is essentially disinformation fostered by those whose desire is to keep eager souls such as those who read this forum running in endless circles for months, years and lifetimes.  Those selling books, maps and expertise are the only ones benefitting from the legends.  Despite veiled hints and even stronger claims made by many book writers and forum posters over the years, no significent recoveries have been made.  There have been a number recoveries of outlaw loot made (particularly in Oklahoma), but these caches and the clues leading to them have nothing to do with the currently accepted 'KGC', IMHO.

It's good you end your post in "IMHO" For those who don't understand it, it means "In My Humble Opinion". I say this because you make a VERY sweeping and informed sounding statement. It doesn't sound like an opinion. You sound like you are stating fact. I do have one question; When you say "The "KGC" as we 'know it' today is essentially disinformation" Are you talking about the idea that the KGC is alive and well TODAY, or are you talking about the entire idea of the KGC at any point inn time? Because:

1. If you are talking about the KGCs existence in 2006, I would have have to say that I highly doubt it is still around.

2. If you are talking about the KGC ever existing at all, I would have to say you are quite wrong. There is much proof of it's existence prior to 1864, and after 1868, I would believe my family over your supposition any day.

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Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Jun 29, 2006, 05:39:55 pm

Well Mike

i was about to BUSH bash like a MO-FO

I'll let it pass, for i hate arguement

Senator Preston Smith Brooks is my gggGrandaddy

You don't get any closer to the top then that

KGC ?

Ha,, never mind

When formulated disinformation, orchrastrated theatrics,
Manufactured evidence

and a Plethora of Histrionics
is instituted in co-vert operations

you can damned well bet
someone is covering their ass

using your tax dollars to do so.

As for Top Secret documents

It is very well known within certain intel agencies that
i have personally reviewed many detailing many
tresaure anomolies and projects

Being a descendent brought this to me

Being outside the inside

Gave me relief from it.

First thing anyone had best state to maintain
validity,,, is that unless they have personally recovered a KGC treasure
replete with a document authentizing and quatifying that it
is indeed KGC

There remains no evidence as to it being so.

Personally, i have been accused of being anywhere from a C.I.A. operative to DEA agent and above

Hardly is it that people refute that i evidently have a great deal of inside the loop knowledge

Unless they have missed my writtings somehow

but to bona-fide myself is BS

Point is
I can wel state from what I was given as pure documants
KGC, was a formulated disinfo project

It got its propitiation in a Fictional account and the ball
was picked up and ran with.

Naturaly i understand the arguements that arise

as well, naturally
I do not engage them

Knowing
and believing
have for a basis varied avenues
and foundation

that seldom find a common to agree and complete
a format that allows for peaceful solutionary
resultives

Being that as the given proper
I duck out of the maliu


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Reply To This Topic #19 Posted Jun 29, 2006, 07:20:08 pm

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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Jun 29, 2006, 07:21:19 pm

And please allow me to restate my position for the record!

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Reply To This Topic #21 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 05:40:52 am

Try decaf, Gollum. 

If you read my post carefully, you'll realize that the point I'm making is that the popular lore surrounding the 'KGC' (or the 'secret society', 'Illuminati', 'the boys', 'the family' or whatever name suits your fancy), is essentially hot air.  You may choose to fervently believe all the stories are true and that their secrets can be solved, but that doen't make them true or that their loot can be recovered.  Sure, the KGC is documented to have existed in the 1800's - any fool can verify that.  Were they a secret arm of the New World Order accumulating trillions of dollars of gold for the end of the world?  Well, that remains to be seen.

As far as your support of Bush is concerned ... if that's the fantasy you can't give up - go for it.  People adamatly believed the world was flat for centuries even though it is indeed round.  Who do you believe - Rush Limbaugh or your own lying eyes?

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
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Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 07:48:48 am

Try decaf, Gollum. 

If you read my post carefully, you'll realize that the point I'm making is that the popular lore surrounding the 'KGC' (or the 'secret society', 'Illuminati', 'the boys', 'the family' or whatever name suits your fancy), is essentially hot air.  You may choose to fervently believe all the stories are true and that their secrets can be solved, but that doen't make them true or that their loot can be recovered.  Sure, the KGC is documented to have existed in the 1800's - any fool can verify that.  Were they a secret arm of the New World Order accumulating trillions of dollars of gold for the end of the world?  Well, that remains to be seen.

As far as your support of Bush is concerned ... if that's the fantasy you can't give up - go for it.  People adamatly believed the world was flat for centuries even though it is indeed round.  Who do you believe - Rush Limbaugh or your own lying eyes?

FYI... The illuminati did exsist, and still do for that matter, only under a different name, and are not hell-bent on world domination any longer.

And I am speaking for myself here, but I hate Rush, always have... More of a Mike Savage guy myself, or even a Ted Nuget idealogy, but certainly not Rush.... And I still believe there is and was WMDs over there. One would have to be - WORD REMOVED - Some people (parents of hadicapped children for example) find this word offensive.  Please don't use denigrating terms here at TreasureNet.  Thanks.ed not to think so, especially people in the treasure hunting world. Look at Texas for examples of why there has been no WMDs found. Not only is there alot of desert to bury them in, there is alot of caves, and of course, they could pull a dirty sanchez or a filthy lopez (lmfao) and take it across the border.
And to turn it around on you, left-wingers adametly believe there is no WMDs, just like the world believed that the world was flat for so long. Just because a group of people say it and preach it, don't make it true.

Obviously I am with you on KGC. I believe it when I see it. When I see that there is indeed some real proof of exsistence past their 1864 end, then I will change my mind. Of course, I'm not going to tell people they are crazy for believing in it, because it could be true, I'm simply stating it is of my opinion that it is a false belief.
But again, obviously, I am against you on the Bush bashing. If you want to continue that (tired) line, there is a political forum on TN to voice your opinion, with several left wingers waiting to take you in and accept you there.

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Reply To This Topic #23 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 08:42:06 am

Odd to myself is what the mind of some can produce
as a belief through trama based conditioning

After eons of programned induced hiarcheal
synapsis inundation of perpretrated illusions

The human species has become what they have
sold themselves into.

If by no other avenue of discovery then self appearent
conditions, One may wonder why a world populace
would desire to remain controlled in and by such
Machinations.

Yet, Wonder being a less indulged upon activity of such minds
then the self indulged and relagated position
to simply watch through tecnological advanced mind control
apparatus such as T.V. screens and the manner,

No wonder indeed that the human experience and thought process
is so simply controlled by manufactured false internal realities.


Set up and played out for the exact directive
to keep a mass of beings propelled into
an enslaved eviron.


It is by sheer faith of hope
that one may desire that this be the only world where
this heinous anomolous abject horror is
extent.

As by a diverted display
the attention of the controlled
is swayed to the nether workings
of that hiddened master complex that
in all concise design

wishes in all denounceble ambiguity
to shadow the apparatus of control.

A diversion is agreed to be the
working tool for such obsfucational
projected resultive advents.

If a KGC must be created to fill this
goal
then one shall surely be manufactured to meet the requirment.


In all that U.S. Citizens believe they Know

They know a very small apportional fact based
evidential of exactly how deeply the seeds
root in this designed confusion based goal.

To argue the points

Further derails the revealing of the truth

To address only those truths in an
unvieling of evidential products
can this be faced with any real productive
outcome that holds and reveals by the nature of truth

the real truth.


In the ageless adage " that power corrupts, complete power corrupts completly"

We have a perfected outline as to guide ourselves
to question greatly and keep very close watch upon
those that are set up as leaders over us

If, through that vigilence
We find hidden from us, secrets
of power abused

Does it not follow that Accountabillity for such
shall be our focused endeavors ?

How so then, can this be focused
if confusion and delusion
be compounded within our
consciousness
to such degree as to effectivly
disuade us from that focus.

This exactly was the planned endeavors
that was agreed to be the prominent role
to be accomplished by the Power Structure
in extent eons ago

this
this indeed has been the accomplished goal
passed down over the eons through generational
aquirements.

Believe what you will

If it is your will to believe
that which has been fed to generations
before you , as a titty to suck you into
a docility you can niether believe nor escape from

Then you allow your beliefs in a false
guide, to be your reality and master.

Offencive as the truth at times can be

One who is offended by theirown truth
is living a lie
and

Life, lived as a lie
leaves but only a sad existence.


sorry, no offence intended

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Reply To This Topic #24 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 09:01:02 am

Odd to myself is what the mind of some can produce
as a belief through trama based conditioning

After eons of programned induced hiarcheal
synapsis inundation of perpretrated illusions

The human species has become what they have
sold themselves into.

If by no other avenue of discovery then self appearent
conditions, One may wonder why a world populace
would desire to remain controlled in and by such
Machinations.

Yet, Wonder being a less indulged upon activity of such minds
then the self indulged and relagated position
to simply watch through tecnological advanced mind control
apparatus such as T.V. screens and the manner,

No wonder indeed that the human experience and thought process
is so simply controlled by manufactured false internal realities.


Set up and played out for the exact directive
to keep a mass of beings propelled into
an enslaved eviron.


It is by sheer faith of hope
that one may desire that this be the only world where
this heinous anomolous abject horror is
extent.

As by a diverted display
the attention of the controlled
is swayed to the nether workings
of that hiddened master complex that
in all concise design

wishes in all denounceble ambiguity
to shadow the apparatus of control.

A diversion is agreed to be the
working tool for such obsfucational
projected resultive advents.

If a KGC must be created to fill this
goal
then one shall surely be manufactured to meet the requirment.


In all that U.S. Citizens believe they Know

They know a very small apportional fact based
evidential of exactly how deeply the seeds
root in this designed confusion based goal.

To argue the points

Further derails the revealing of the truth

To address only those truths in an
unvieling of evidential products
can this be faced with any real productive
outcome that holds and reveals by the nature of truth

the real truth.


In the ageless adage " that power corrupts, complete power corrupts completly"

We have a perfected outline as to guide ourselves
to question greatly and keep very close watch upon
those that are set up as leaders over us

If, through that vigilence
We find hidden from us, secrets
of power abused

Does it not follow that Accountabillity for such
shall be our focused endeavors ?

How so then, can this be focused
if confusion and delusion
be compounded within our
consciousness
to such degree as to effectivly
disuade us from that focus.

This exactly was the planned endeavors
that was agreed to be the prominent role
to be accomplished by the Power Structure
in extent eons ago

this
this indeed has been the accomplished goal
passed down over the eons through generational
aquirements.

Believe what you will

If it is your will to believe
that which has been fed to generations
before you , as a titty to suck you into
a docility you can niether believe nor escape from

Then you allow your beliefs in a false
guide, to be your reality and master.

Offencive as the truth at times can be

One who is offended by theirown truth
is living a lie
and

Life, lived as a lie
leaves but only a sad existence.


sorry, no offence intended

Rog'

 

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Reply To This Topic #25 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 09:13:00 am

There was at a time
a tullsbay marina

it was deemed by the masters of your reality
that this marina of currituck county should
make a sweet aquisition for themselves

the owner was one Zakk Tull, simon by birth name

In order to garnish this from that owner
a little MK Ultra brainwashing mind control was
slammed upon him.

THAT, that right there crypto

should sum up for yourself
some close by facts

of what the above post of mine
outlines emphatically.

but,,,

as my statement stands,,, Believe what you will.

Zakk resides off and on in asylums.

Feed the monster that eats your children
while that monster feeds you histrionics personified.

Enjoy whatever, in whatever fulfillment
you can find to nulify your
misery sold to you.
For your taxation.

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Reply To This Topic #26 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 09:31:18 am

Rog,
This is totally off post, but would it be possible for me to get permission to come visit you and discuss some of your(and your Father's) research and info on The Guadulapes? It has ben posited that Ben (William) Sublett didn't have a mine, but was retrieving gold from a strongbox that had been stolen/robbed from a stage.
I am a big believer in the mine and would like to find it to clear up his name. (Getting rich wouldn't hurt any either.)

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Reply To This Topic #27 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 09:57:19 am

Try decaf, Gollum. 

If you read my post carefully, you'll realize that the point I'm making is that the popular lore surrounding the 'KGC' (or the 'secret society', 'Illuminati', 'the boys', 'the family' or whatever name suits your fancy), is essentially hot air.  You may choose to fervently believe all the stories are true and that their secrets can be solved, but that doen't make them true or that their loot can be recovered.  Sure, the KGC is documented to have existed in the 1800's - any fool can verify that.  Were they a secret arm of the New World Order accumulating trillions of dollars of gold for the end of the world?  Well, that remains to be seen.

As far as your support of Bush is concerned ... if that's the fantasy you can't give up - go for it.  People adamatly believed the world was flat for centuries even though it is indeed round.  Who do you believe - Rush Limbaugh or your own lying eyes?

1. Ok. I agree with you that the POPULAR LORE about the KGC is fluff! I don't even read that much of it. The reason I know the KGC existed after 1868 was because when 1st Lt. Walter R. McChesney of Co. C, Sypert's 13th Kentucky Cavalry, returned home after the war (Caldwell County, Ky), he was interviewed by several men about just those things I mentioned. They asked him if he had been privvy to any stories in the camp about any buried Confederate Monies or Weapons. To the best of my knowledge, he hadn't. He was introduced to these men via the KKK, and thought them to be KGC.

2. If you keep trying to throw in your --deleted-- left-wing jibes, I'll ask Jeff to remove your posts from this thread. I have taken on every leftwing kook that wanted a shot at the title "IN THE POLITICAL FORUMS" and toasted them with facts. I'll meet you there any time, if you think you are up to it! Grin Grin But before you go there, I advise you to go to CSPAN Website, and check out the replays of the Senate Commissions Hearings on "The Leadup to the Iraq War" and "The Weapons of Mass Destruction" The second one was just on last night.

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Reply To This Topic #28 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 10:03:32 am

Hi Bear

In all candor
I have very little knowledge based on any facts of
the Guadalopes

What i have been told is simply not verifiable.

In a crevase, thrown there during the Pueblo Indian revolt
is said to be the remnants of pilfered nuggets

Perhaps, this is what old ben was tapping.

The franklins, it is KNOWN that near the pass a cave was found,
at the back of the cave
a falsewall made of stone and plastered over
with adobe
a niche in which was treasure
Wheellock muskets seen in the cache denote
that this too was a cache made perhaps
by revolting Pueblo indians and or their co-horts.

remote sensing radr is best to find these

The government agents followed me to the organs
set up signal transmitter relays
in order to find through satillite detection
the voids where the LUE treasure is buried.

When a person has been faced with these conditions
perpretrated upon thewm
By a federal government they were raised to honor and respect

It is nothing to be left but to annpunce it
and expose to others what they are supporting that
will and has been done to them.

I sat and watch the agents spread out and plant the relays

they sent a nieghbor by to ask me
what they were setting out there

they wished to know whether or not i KNEW what they were up too

The answer to that is obviously YES.

I relate here to give a clear idea of what I personally
am up against in any attempt by me to recover the treasures i am aware.

That is portion to why it is that i post
actual locales of deposits over an open forum.

In hopes that a citizen will pop the caches before
a defunct government agency does.

wink

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Reply To This Topic #29 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 10:28:20 am

Mike

Being personally a witness to the manufactured
Oil crises of 1973 and its planning by poppa bush and dick cheny
and having my life threatened because of what i overheard and saw
at that meeting by them
as well as having my teeth implanted with micro transmitters by their orders to track
me for what i know,,,,

I assure you of this

When it is a far gone given that the major
media sources are controlled
by monied interest
that have global connections and
are part of the group you speak of


I will trust my experiences over those outlets of controlled
media every damned time.

Trusting to those experiences
Knowing exact truth of it

I avoid the political debates.

I LIVED IT,,,

whether that is believed by anyone outside
the loop,,,,,,,,,

denotes  exactly the conspiracys actuallity that i outlined aboved


Divide and Conquer?   NO,,, that is already the condition

Keep the divided conquered by keeping them divided simply
furthers the condition

Too view people as liberal or conservative and other then thyself
propitiates the control

It is a mainframe of the plan to do so.


Those that have that power you give them over you

care nothing of parties
nothing of idealogies

nothing of theologies

and

nothing of YOU

this i make up not

If they can get you to hate each other by
any conveyance probable
even that which is a two or three party
system or choice

then it stands to reason

THEY HAVE YOU.

I do not argue politics

I state personal ancedotes that are facts

i relate information they themselves compiled
of facts and events that they themselves instituted

Like Nazi's, they too keep concise files


My statement that i wish for People to
believe what they will

is as well a factual statement

I am out of the game for the rest of my existence here

a man without a country nor any aliegeance to anything or anyone

I am tired
finding that the shallowness of people
keeps their eyes closed for them
and that to give them proof of truth

causes them to only close them tighter

I step aside and let it all be.

Throwing pearls before swine is exactly how it feels to me.


BLM sells off the land YOU OWN to developers

they in turn raise the price

and sell "YOUR" land back to you
at a price that keeps you indebted

this inturn , through that DEBT disuades THE PEOPLE from
addressing THEIR enslavement.


It is all around you

it is evident in such abundance
that  blind mice could not possibly
miss the gestalt thereof.

Yet, the blind remain so by theirown will and choice.

Let it be so.

I raise no effort outside of telling the blind their
shorts are ablaze.

and that is more then they themselves will do for themselves.

so be it


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Reply To This Topic #30 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 11:47:50 am

There was at a time
a tullsbay marina

it was deemed by the masters of your reality
that this marina of currituck county should
make a sweet aquisition for themselves

the owner was one Zakk Tull, simon by birth name

In order to garnish this from that owner
a little MK Ultra brainwashing mind control was
slammed upon him.

THAT, that right there crypto

should sum up for yourself
some close by facts

of what the above post of mine
outlines emphatically.

but,,,

as my statement stands,,, Believe what you will.

Zakk resides off and on in asylums.

Feed the monster that eats your children
while that monster feeds you histrionics personified.

Enjoy whatever, in whatever fulfillment
you can find to nulify your
misery sold to you.
For your taxation.

Smiles
Rog'

You have been reading the "aluminum hat" websites haven't you? Zakk Tull, as he likes to call himself now is a total tool, drugged out crackpot, who got his hand caught in the door for running an illegal bar and dealing drugs from his illegal bar. He also called the FBI and told them that Moyock is the new middle east and that there is a nuke under the Tulls Bay bridge. Oh, and the freemasons are using mind control on him.
His crazy rambling has even earned him a spot on crank.net.
For all of you that are unfamiliar with this crackpot, Here: http://www.crank.net/psychology.html (half way down, and you will see some of his ramblings. It is listed under the title "Everybody").

Whatever you have said now or before has just lost all merit to me because you mentioned him, and I now know where your commits come from.

Smiles right back.

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Reply To This Topic #31 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 12:06:52 pm

Whats posted by Zakk and others
on the net

Has no Bearing on the files of what is
compiled within Mk Ultras database.

C.I.A. run operations and projects.

If you are outside the parameters of that

you will never ever know the exact truth of
the extent to the disinformation spread thouroly
over the truth.

However,
as i state

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL

CAST ASPERSIONS AS THOUGH THEY BE NOTING MORE THEN DICE

Obviously , you are unfamiliar with tthe technology involved is such
brainwashing mind control operations and projects

Zakk did pretty much as you have heard, and more then that

Evidence that his mind was tampered with in
extreme trama based conditioning.

His documents were within those i reveiwed.

Say whatever you feel

when you state something from experience

and it is true

then i'll listen.

Psyops is internet wide
gone global through the internet.

Again
Open forum
open attitudes

open discussion

Its just that i have'nt any reason to argue
any points i have evidenced already personally


Like throwing pearls before swine exactly.

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Reply To This Topic #32 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 12:24:24 pm

Whats posted by Zakk and others
on the net

Has no Bearing on the files of what is
compiled within Mk Ultras database.

C.I.A. run operations and projects.

If you are outside the parameters of that

you will never ever know the exact truth of
the extent to the disinformation spread thouroly
over the truth.

However,
as i state

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL

CAST ASPERSIONS AS THOUGH THEY BE NOTING MORE THEN DICE

Obviously , you are unfamiliar with tthe technology involved is such
brainwashing mind control operations and projects

Zakk did pretty much as you have heard, and more then that

Evidence that his mind was tampered with in
extreme trama based conditioning.

His documents were within those i reveiwed.

Say whatever you feel

when you state something from experience

and it is true

then i'll listen.

Psyops is internet wide
gone global through the internet.

Again
Open forum
open attitudes

open discussion

Its just that i have'nt any reason to argue
any points i have evidenced already personally


Like throwing pearls before swine exactly.

Rog'





I was with one of the arresting officers for "Zakk Tull" when they arrested him. I have taken several complaint calls for "Zakk Tull". I am one of the evil freemasons that "Zakk Tull" speaks so highly of. I know Elden "Pops" Miller on a personal level... He is the one that "Zakk Tull" claims stole his land from him initially, then he changed it to the freemasons, then he changed it to Miller is a freemason (he is not) and he stole it. I have alot of personal experience with "Zakk Tull", and his Nazi gold and nukes and freemasons and lizard people.
Spit a pearl at me oyster boy... Go back to godlikeproductions.com, unless they threw you out of there too.

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Reply To This Topic #33 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 12:53:29 pm

Whats posted by Zakk and others
on the net

Has no Bearing on the files of what is
compiled within Mk Ultras database.

C.I.A. run operations and projects.

If you are outside the parameters of that

you will never ever know the exact truth of
the extent to the disinformation spread thouroly
over the truth.

However,
as i state

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL

CAST ASPERSIONS AS THOUGH THEY BE NOTING MORE THEN DICE

Obviously , you are unfamiliar with tthe technology involved is such
brainwashing mind control operations and projects

Zakk did pretty much as you have heard, and more then that

Evidence that his mind was tampered with in
extreme trama based conditioning.

His documents were within those i reveiwed.

Say whatever you feel

when you state something from experience

and it is true

then i'll listen.

Psyops is internet wide
gone global through the internet.

Again
Open forum
open attitudes

open discussion

Its just that i have'nt any reason to argue
any points i have evidenced already personally


Like throwing pearls before swine exactly.

Rog'





Hey Roger,

You know I like you and all, but there is something I feel the need to say to you. Please condense your posts. I've seen it happen in other threads. When you start posting those extremely long replies, it puts off people who are interested in reading the subject matter. Here is what happens;

Somebody sees the topic and decides to pop in and take a read.

They enter the thread and read the initial post. If they find it interesting, they will want to read all the posts and get all the information.

They hit your first 1000 word post. They begin to read it, and many people get lost in there somewhere, in and amongst MK Ultra, CIA Plots, and the like. They skip over the rest.

They come upon your next, even longer post. They automatically scroll over that.

After two or three 1000-2000 word posts, they lose interest in the post and leave.

I'm not saying this to be mean, but sometimes your posts can be thread killers! It happened to "What are your current theories" on Victorio Peak. For a long time following some of your posts, that thread died.

Go to the Rants section, and start a thread called "Rog'S Rants" In the rants, link to the applicable thread.

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Reply To This Topic #34 Posted Jun 30, 2006, 01:22:25 pm

hmmm healthy doubt i look forward to see further post2 from you 2 not the other crack pots on this one.........

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Reply To This Topic #35 Posted Jul 08, 2006, 10:30:37 am

 I used to read "Roger Snow's" delirious rants a few years ago on another forum. There was everything James Bond could imagine..being kidnapped by the Government, tracking devices implanted in teeth, multiple assasination attempts, mind control, knowing locations of buried treasure, knowing the secrets of JFK and Bobby's deaths, MK Ultra, space aliens, and other assorted hogwash that I could probably remember with time. Nice to see he popped up here.
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Reply To This Topic #36 Posted Jul 08, 2006, 12:03:43 pm

I used to read "Roger Snow's" delirious rants a few years ago on another forum. There was everything James Bond could imagine..being kidnapped by the Government, tracking devices implanted in teeth, multiple assasination attempts, mind control, knowing locations of buried treasure, knowing the secrets of JFK and Bobby's deaths, MK Ultra, space aliens, and other assorted hogwash that I could probably remember with time. Nice to see he popped up here.

Yes, things tend to get kind of confusing at times, but Rog is an ok guy.

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Reply To This Topic #37 Posted Feb 08, 2007, 04:31:28 am

Mike,

I have paid a LOT of "dues" in the TH'ing field over the past 35 years. Those who know me also know I am a "seeker-of-truth to the extreme. I don't post lies and fairy tales about treasure and treasure stories. I don't mean this in an unhumble way but I have literally probably forgotten more about the KGC than most will ever imagine that there exists to know.
I have delved deep enough into the subject of the KGC to where I have personally seen KGC gold and have survived a number of attempts by the descendants of those rascals to kill me in order to prevent my "borrowing" from some of their rather large caches.

Since I know that the KGC does indeed still exist I can tell you that they will attack me for this post because they do not WANT the few of us which know the truth about the KGC... which have succeeded over the years in separating the truth from all the fables and mis-information floating around... to have any credibility on any type of public forum.

In order to keep this brief I will address one little "fingertip" of the possible areas of TRUE info that I have in this post... the subject of the KKK.

1.  The actual truth is that it was originally called the "Kuklos Klan"... two words... not the three that we know it by today. 
2. It was NOT founded to persecute or to control the blacks.  There were 65,000 blacks that fought for the south during the civil war.  The clan was founded to assist ex-Confed soldiers... BOTH BLACK and white at at time when they were subject to persecution and wrongful death at the hands of their conquerors.
3. Nathan Bedford Forrest was INDEED one of the 12 members of the INNER CIRCLE of the KGC. He was GIVEN the task by that 12 man leadership council of forming the clan for the purposes already stated.
4.  As time went by "agents provacateurs" from the North infiltrated the Kuklos Klan and began to steer it toward becoming the hate group that it is today.  They were highly successful in corrupting a number of lodges but some remained loyal to Forrest.
5. When Forrest and the rest of the inner circle saw that they were losing control of the clan... that its purpose was changing into the very thing they were trying to prevent... Forrest was told to disband the clan and he gave the lodges the order to do so.
6. Those lodges still loyal to Forrest and the clans ORIGINAL avowed mission obeyed immediately.  Those lodges which had been taken over and corrupted did not.  Thus from those corrupted lodges came the birth of the KU - KLUX - KLAN and the KUKLOS - KLAN was no more. 
7. This setback to the KGC did not stop them from secretly helping the BLACK ex-confederate soldiers caught by the flames of rising prejudice against the blacks that was fanned all over the south by the Northern agents AFTER the Civil War.  ALL who remained loyal to the "LOST CAUSE" were befriended by the KGC and many became members of the 12,000 man "OUTER CIRCLE  of the KGC. These were the "footsoldiers of the KGC" hidden in plain sight, so to speak, all over the country and ready to follow any orders passed down to them by the inner circle.

Brace yourself, Mike, because if you continue to follow the "OWL HOOT TRAIL" you will have MANY more shocks like you got in the military when dealing with your racism. The truth about the KGC REALLY is stranger than fiction and unlike about 90% of all major treasure stories we hear about... the treasures of the KGC and the secret organization that, unbeknown to them, was controlling them... are actually MUCH bigger than most treasure hunters can even rap their minds around.  If you happened to see the recent movie, NATIONAL TREASURE... THAT treasure actually does exist but... it appears to be in TEXAS... not New York. And... it is only the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. 

Sorry I was not as brief as I had hoped but there is so much to tell about this one. I'm done... all you skeptics, nay-sayers and others who wish to take me apart for this post for whatever reason have it at.  I know that before both my God and man I have told the truth as I have discovered it to be.

I wish any who are also REAL seekers-of-truth the best of success in your efforts.

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Reply To This Topic #38 Posted Feb 08, 2007, 05:43:45 am

Anybody who has read my posts know that I know the KGC existed.  With that, I can't say whether they exist now or not.  However, no one has messed with me, and I've given them lots of reason to do so, so I find it hard to believe they still exist.  What exactly makes you believe they are still around?  If they are still around, then what is their purpose?  They must have a purpose in order to still be protecting the gold rather than just digging it up and living high on the hog.  

Here is another related question.  I have found that they carved their names on trees.  If they are so secretive, and were involved in illegal acts or even treason, then why would they put their names on carvings?  

I can't say whether they have treasures as big as the cache on National Treasure, but I do know that they had some large vaults that would put a smile on any treasure hunter's face.  Also, I have ideas on the questions I posed above but since you seem to have more experience, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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Reply To This Topic #39 Posted Feb 08, 2007, 05:13:40 pm

The fact is that the KGC was formed  by pro Southern northerners and i have pictures of there meeting flyers for whoever would like to see them and they existed as early as 1858.

The KGC WAS definitely involved with the Freemasons as Albert Pike, the father of modern Scottish Rite Freemasonery, confederate general, and author of "Morals and Dogma" which outlines the total reconstruction of Freemasonary WAS indeed one of the leaders of the KGC as well as the head of Scottish Rite Freemasonary.  They were inextricably linked thanks to this man.

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Reply To This Topic #40 Posted Feb 09, 2007, 08:05:45 am

The fact is that the KGC was formed  by pro Southern northerners and i have pictures of there meeting flyers for whoever would like to see them and they existed as early as 1858.

The KGC WAS definitely involved with the Freemasons as Albert Pike, the father of modern Scottish Rite Freemasonery, confederate general, and author of "Morals and Dogma" which outlines the total reconstruction of Freemasonary WAS indeed one of the leaders of the KGC as well as the head of Scottish Rite Freemasonary.  They were inextricably linked thanks to this man.

Ah yes, the conspiracy pirates come out. I've only heard this one about 15 to 3000 times. Albert Pike/Morals and Dogma/KGC/KKK.

Oh, and the book was about the SCOTTISH RITE philosophical symbolism of degrees, not Freemasonry. Although you must be a mason to get into the Scottish Rite, they are seperate entities with seperate history and goals.
Freemasonry consists of 3 degrees, then you are a Master Mason and that is it. The Scottish Rite is a continuation of the 3 degrees from 4~32 (some, however few, 33).

Also, Pike was the Sovereign Grand Commander of the SOUTHERN jurisdiction, hardly the leader of all of the Scottish Rite.

I see no connection to Pike and the KGC in there.


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Reply To This Topic #41 Posted Feb 23, 2007, 02:21:30 pm

Gee Dorian,
How about you tell us NOW where these large KGC caches are located.  That way we can all go together, dig them up and donate the loot to the poor.  That goes for the rest of you who claim to know.  Otherwise, we're going to think you're all just looking for attention.
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Reply To This Topic #42 Posted Apr 13, 2007, 02:05:26 am

Gee Dorian( dig them up and donate the loot to the poor.)  That goes for the rest of you who claim to know.  Otherwise, we're going to think you're all just looking for attention.

 Dig them up and Give them to the Poor.

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Reply To This Topic #43 Posted Apr 18, 2007, 02:41:36 pm

Pike started most of the southern and western Masonic lodges and was high up in the Confederate Inner Circle.  It is only logical that two things that he loved. Both Freemasonary and the Confederacy would come together. Of course he dabbled in both and I also know Dave that he was NOT leader of the whole FreeMasons, that was never my claim, just the Southern jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite.

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Description of the 30th Degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry (Knights Kadosh)
http://www.originaldissent.com/foru...f-the-30th-Degree-of...&p=93034

Re: Description of the 30th Degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry (Knights  Kadosh)

AFTER THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, Washington DC was built in 1790. Next the
conspiracy moved on the states.

"The Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC) was a secret society originally
founded to promote the interests of the Southern United States. It was to
prepare the way for annexation of a golden circle of territories in Mexico,
Central America, and the Caribbean to be included in the United States as
slave states."

John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC). In
Washington DC the Copperhead politicians were also KGC, Irish Catholic
agents of the Vatican.

President Lincoln Assassination by the Vatican

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/27imlC_TzVo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/27imlC_TzVo</a>

10 conspirators:

4 hanged by the federal government
4 imprisoned
1 shot
1 escaped- John Surratt was found at the Vatican

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Surratt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Surratt
http://www.reformation.org/lincoln.html
http://ctwilcox.com

The southern states of the USA were the only Protestant stronghold in all of
the Americas. After the Civil War Washington DC founded the Pan-American
Union that rules all of North and South America, today called the
Organization of the American States.

"The pursuit of regional solidarity and cooperation again came to the
forefront in 1889-90, at the First International Conference of American
States."

Sister society of the Mason-Templars, after the Civil War the KGC became the
Knights of the KKK to divide the Blacks from the Protestant Christians. The
satanic Templar society would often burn crosses to instill fear of anything
Christian.
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The Knights of the Golden Circle

It was on the eve of the Civil War. Washington was rampant with
war hysteria as the nation tottered on the abyss of the approaching
conflict. To add to the increasing tension, the Capitol had been
infiltrated by a wave of Confederate spies. Indeed, the
Confederacy began the war with an espionage system already
organized and highly efficient, with tentacles reaching into secret
areas of the Federal Department. Often the Rebels knew what the
Yankees were going to do almost as soon as the decision was
reached -- and long before Union troops began to move.

One of the most energetic and efficient of these espionage rings
was a well organized secret society, the KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN
CIRCLE, (KGC), which had both Northern and Southern Branches,
closely cooperating with each other. During the Civil War the KGC
not only acted as the secret agents and fomenters of civil disorder
in the North, but it's members were smugglers of medical supplies,
recruits, arms, uniforms and ammunition.

After Gen. Robert E. Lee's surrender at Appomattox, the
organization went underground and assumed a completely new mission
-- the raising of funds to start a new Civil War, promoting the
idea of "The South Will Rise Again!" The Knights went about their
new mission with little regard for the legal principles. There
were many stories that the KGC amassed millions of dollars worth of
gold, silver, and currency which is allegedly stashed in numerous
caches around the United States.

In 1984 document were found in a Antebellum home in Savannah
Georgia, pertaining to a gold shipment buried by the KGC just
before the city was invaded by Union troops. This was said to be
gold transported from Texas.

Perhaps you are wondering just how the Knights of the Golden Circle
came into being and what happened to this organization in later
years. The middle of the last century was a spawning ground for
numerous secret societies of every description, with many persons
holding simultaneous memberships in several organizations.
Entering the scene in 1859, with his founding of the Knights of the
Golden Circle, was George W.L. Bickley. His intentional aims for
the secret society were to Americanize and ultimately annex Mexico,
to settle the slavery question in favor of the South, and to
promote his own fame and fortune.

Bickley at various ties had been a physician, author and editor --
and, as head of the KGC, he styled himself 'General', without a
shadow of authority, save that of his own will, he created
colonels, majors, and captains in the most absolute and Napoleonic
manner. Local lodges of the organization were called 'castles,'
and fees were naturally required of the members. These fees were
one dollar for the first degree of membership, five dollars for the
second, and ten for the third. Weekly dues in all degrees were
fixed by the colonels of the regiments in their respective
jurisdictions. In a short while Gen. Bickley began to realize
one of his main objectives -- a substantial income.

Ollinger Crenshaw, writing in the American Historical Review,
stated, "An eloquent orator and filled with the spirit of modern
'chivalry', Bickley engaged for months during 1860, a vigorous
stump speaking campaign in the Southern states, which he hoped
would enlist wide-spread support for his project. It is indeed
remarkable with what facility this plausible man ingratiated
himself with the Southern editors, who frequently accepted Gen.
Bickley at his own estimate. He also drew to his support, as
active organizers, a considerable number of men throughout the
South, who were, however, not politically prominent."

Sometime later Bickley extended his membership drive into the
border states, where he was not always greeted with enthusiasm.
Indeed the Unionist Louisville Journal, assailed Bickley's
"incendiary doctrines and hellish machinations," and later
characterized the KGC as the "heart the brain, the breath, the soul
of the secession party in Kentucky." In a lighter vein the same
paper lampooned "King Bickley, Monarch of the KGC," and humorously
observed, "Many a man puts his foot in a golden circle may get his
neck in a hempen one."

Eventually, the secret society spread across the Ohio River into
Indiana and the other states of the Old Northwest, where it won an
unsavory reputation during the course of the Civil War.

Gradually, Bickley lost control of the KGC, and for a brief period
in 1863, he turned up as a surgeon in Gen. Bragg's army, attached
to the 29th North Carolina Regiment.

For reasons not apparent, Bickley later applied for and received
a pass through Union lines with the understanding that he would
proceed directly to his home in Cincinnati. Instead he journeyed
to New Albany Indiana, to link up with a KGC castle. This
deviation in his promise caused him to be imprisoned as a spy on
August 18, 1863, and he was not released until the fall of 1865.

Deeply discredited everywhere and odious because of his KGC
activities, Bickley died on August 10, 1867. The Cincinnati Daily
Commercial barely mentioned his demise.

What of the widespread secret society which Bickley had founded?
It continued to live on in several forms. Toward the end of the
Civil War, many of its members transferred their allegiance to
another organization, the Order of American Knights, which in turn
evolved into the Sons of Liberty -- both of the latter dying from
acute inertia at the end of the war. However, a hard-core group
of die-hard Confederates preserved what remained of the Knights
of the Golden Circle when the shooting stopped. During the great
conflict, the society raised funds for the Confederate cause by
both legal and illegal means -- considering Yankee banks,
businesses and stagecoaches to be fair game for robbery.

These men rationalized that their cause was only temporarily lost.
As a consequence, they were determined to continue raising funds,
by any and all means. This Inner Circle claimed such stalwarts as
Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, Jesse James, Gen. Bud
Dalton, Prof. B.E. Bedeczek, Gen. J.O. Shelby and others. Reports
have it that following Lee's surrender, the KGC amassed millions of
dollars in gold, silver, and currency, awaiting the call to again
bear arms -- a call which never came. As a result, these caches
which reportedly remained unfound and untouched. Supposedly, many
of these caches were booby trapped and could still be lethal for
the unwary.

Sometime after the war the secret KGC established headquarters
in an old building on Fatherland Street in Nashville Tennessee.
Reportedly, the old building stood where the "Grand Ole Opry" got
its start. About 1884 the headquarters were moved to Colorado
Springs. Verifying the old Confederates' tales of clandestine
treasure hoards becomes very difficult when one realizes the KGC
officially closed its books and disbanded in 1916. In addition,
through deaths and failing memories of the elderly Knights caused
the locations of many caches to be lost in the maze of history, for
the relied upon memory rather than written records for identifying
their stashes.

Speaking of Nashville, a rich KGC trove was supposedly hidden under
an "ordinary looking mountain" somewhere off the old Nashville
Pike. Allegedly, $600 million was stored there in a vault, in
1870. Later, more gold was said to have been added to this hoard.
We have also heard tales of a KGC treasure having been secreted
about 11 miles from Nashville. These two reports, however, may
pertain to the same cache.

L. Frank Hudson, an expert researcher from St. Petersburg Florida,
is the source of KGC treasure tale originating in Texas. Sometime
in 1863 a shipment of gold coins in wooden kegs left Galveston
aboard a Confederate vessel. The gold came from the western mines
operated by the KGC. At some point, before shipment, it was minted
into coins, struck by dies captured or stolen from the Federal
government. In addition, each coin bore "C.S.A." stamped on its
face.

When the Confederate ship left Galveston, all went well until it
was opposite the mouth of the Mississippi River. At that point a
Union gunboat gave chase, and hung astern the Confederate all the
way into Florida waters. Here the gunboat's prey attempted to
evade capture by entering the Suwannee River. The gunboat hung on
tenaciously, so at the second bend in the river, the rebels began
throwing the coin kegs overboard to thwart their capture. The
Union vessel was still gaining, causing the Rebels to ground their
craft on the left bank of the river and flee into the woods to
avoid capture.

Since that day, there have been rumors of some kegs having been
found. In fact, two lucky finders were able to find enough coins
to establish a fine restaurant in Maderia Beach as the story goes.

During the Civil War the Northern element of the KGC perpetrated
several acts of sabotage, particularly in Midwestern states. One
of these schemes of skullduggery was an elaborate plan to free and
arm thousands of Confederate prisoners being held at Camp Douglas,
near Chicago. A Harpers Weekly reporter of that day described the
prisoners thusly: "A more woebegone appearing set of men it would
be difficult to imagine. It may have been from exposure and low
diet, but they were all sallow-faced, sunken eyed and apparently
famishing. The uniforms of the Confederates prisoners are just no
uniforms at all, being wholly ununiform in color, cut, fashion, and
manufacture. The majority stood gazing about the place, perfectly
willing to be conversed with, and as willing to answer all
questions."

It was the assignment of the Confederate master spy, Captain Thomas
H. Hines, to coordinate this operation with the KGC. The Knights
had secretly gathered a large quantity of rifles, pistols and
ammunition to arm the prisoners. In addition, they had pledged
a considerable force of members for this raid. However, the KGC
backed out at the last moment, wisely considering the plan too
dangerous.

Although much was written about the Knights during the war, very
little has been printed about their post-war activities. Reporter
Del Schrader has written some newspaper articles about the secret
organization, plus a book titled, Jesse James Was One of His Names.

The book is about a character who at one time called himself Col.
J. Frank Dalton. However on May 19, 1948, this elderly gentleman
announced to the world that he was none other than the notorious
outlaw, Jesse Woodson James, denying that he was killed in 1882 as
the history books relate. He also claimed to have headed the
underground KGC following the Civil War and to have knowledge of
the locations of its various hidden troves. Once of his claims was
not uncommon, though, for over the decades several phony characters
have appeared to announce that they were Jesse James.

On April 22, 1973, the Los Angeles Herald Examiner published
a report by Del Schrader under the headline "$100 billion in
Treasure, the search for Rebel Gold." The story covered his
interviews with several sons, grandsons, and great-grandsons of
long-dead members of the KGC.

Schrader, now deceased, said he was shown several maps of KGC
caches. However, one of the decendents stated, "They won't do
anybody much good. The maps are accurate as far as they go, but
you'd need the two or three transparent overlays, which each fill
in a landmark, for the specifics. In most cases, a vital point
of reference is carved on a nearby rock."

Another old-timer offered, "Quantrill and Jesse James (both
notorious guerillas), along with 10 other members of the Inner
Circle, vowed they would beg, borrow, or steal gold so that Civil
War II, if it ever came, could be fought on a cash and carry
basis... many former Confederate officers headed west, profited
and tithed up to 50% of their annual incomes."

The original Knights of the Golden Circle formally disbanded the
organization and closed its books in 1916, but their descendants
still maintain the vows of secrecy and silence taken by the old
Confederate veterans. This new generation, however, has vouched
that the old veterans stashed away money and other treasure in
many states in the Union, and even in some Canadian provinces.
They claim too, that most of these caches are booby trapped.

One of these alleged caches is said to be located near Cat Den
Butte in western Texas. Supposedly holding some $30 million in
gold, plus a quantity of silver. The treasure vault lies deep in
the side of a hill near a river, according to one authority.
A series of transparent overlays are required to obtain detailed
information leading to the vault. One clue, "Look for a
slate-covered tombstone in the southeast corner of the old Mexican
cemetery," was offered by an informant. He added, "It bears coded
directions."

If the locations of these caches are known to the sons and
grandsons of members of the KGC's Inner Circle, why haven't they
been opened? "The old conspirators swore themselves and their
descendants to secrecy," according to Schrader. "It was almost
a religious thing with them. Anyone who revealed the secrets of
the Circle would have ended up dead."

Another thing, the caches were not to be disturbed until the last
Confederate passed to his reward. Of course that day has long
gone, so now the heirs are left with the problems of what to do
about their great secrets. Some have proposed using the treasure
for educational purposes, but they are divided as to how they
should proceed in that direction. On the other hand, they also
fear, if the caches are revealed, the Federal government may claim
all of it. What a quandry!

The heirs may be partially relieved of some of this dilemma for
several knowledgeable professional hunters have been quietly
searching for these troves in recent years. For instance, a group
of Eau Claire Wisconsin, researchers have discovered coded markings
in sandstone in the Park Falls area, coupled with similar markings
near Mellen. After 15 years of research these people are convinced
these signs, along with others in western and southern states, are
clues to KGC troves.

Reported Sites of the Secret Caches

Arizona- $175 Million

Arkansas- Unknown amount at Wild Cat Bluff, near Centerpoint

California- Sacramento $41 Million; San Gabriel Canyon, $1.6
Million; El Monte $250,000; Nevada City $16 Million similar amounts
in the area of Grass Valley and Placerville; Porterville $3.3
Million. Other caches are rumored in, or near San Diego, San Jose,
San Pedro, and San Franscisco.

Carolinas- $500 Million

Colorado- Underwater treasure of the Curious Mule, site unknown,
also,the Vanishing Wagon Treasure near Fairplay Park Colorado.

Georgia- $413 Million, which includes Confederate caches near
Savannah, Sparta, Allentown, Bolton & Kingsland - all possible
KGC troves.

Nevada and Utah- $300 Million

New England- $333 Million

New Mexico- $630 Million in various caches. Plus an unknown amount
buried by Confederates east of Tolar, near Santa Fe Railroad.

Oregon- $333 Million

Tennessee- A vault in mountain off the Old Nashville Pike about
11 miles from Nashville.

Texas- Three Rivers treasure of $30 Million in gold in central part
of the state. Also, a steel safe under water about a mile east of
Brazos River bridge in Waco. Cat Den Butte cache in west Texas.

Washington- $175 Million.

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Reply To This Topic #47 Posted May 12, 2011, 06:43:01 am

-Caveat Lector!-
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Booth Tells All! -- KGC
Bill Kingsbury
Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:38:40 -0500
from: http://www.kamellia.com/KGC.htm

********snip large portions of fantasy and pseudo-history drivel******

The link is broke....where can one find the original source of this silliness?


 http://www.kamellia.com/KGC.htm was the stated original source for "Bill Kingsbury" who originally posted (Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:38:40 -0500) the article to a site that can now ONLY be found in archives. This article is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg06918.html. I never saw the original post at the site formerly belonging to an alledged KKK faction at http://www.kamellia.com/. Mr. Kingsbury's post would indicate that the 'THE KNIGHTS OF THE WHITE KAMELLIA  (KWK)' operated the website prior to March 1999 but it now belongs to an Oriential syle bellydancer named Kamellia (copywrite 2001)

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Reply To This Topic #48 Posted May 13, 2011, 04:27:57 am

-Caveat Lector!-
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Booth Tells All! -- KGC
Bill Kingsbury
Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:38:40 -0500
from: http://www.kamellia.com/KGC.htm

********snip large portions of fantasy and pseudo-history drivel******

The link is broke....where can one find the original source of this silliness?


 http://www.kamellia.com/KGC.htm was the stated original source for "Bill Kingsbury" who originally posted (Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:38:40 -0500) the article to a site that can now ONLY be found in archives. This article is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg06918.html. I never saw the original post at the site formerly belonging to an alledged KKK faction at http://www.kamellia.com/. Mr. Kingsbury's post would indicate that the 'THE KNIGHTS OF THE WHITE KAMELLIA  (KWK)' operated the website prior to March 1999 but it now belongs to an Oriential syle bellydancer named Kamellia (copywrite 2001)

Doesn't it bother you...just a little bit... copy/pasting random crap you find on the internet?

Try doing a little bit of fact-checking before you try to spread worthless propaganda and butcher Real History    :cussing:
Archiving doesn't bother me at all and in fact I look forward to it or I would not be doing at all and if it were not for the overwhelming positive response that we have received for it I might question it myself.
I do appreciate that much of what we have found on the internet is conspiratorial nonsense but in archiving all that can be found on the "Southern Clubs" of the period the best that I can offer for the discerning reader is a 'caveat lector'

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Reply To This Topic #49 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 07:41:27 pm

Anyone interested in reading the book cited in Gollums post, you can download a digital copy here.

http://openlibrary.org/works/OL3527..._fall_of_the_Confederate_government

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Reply To This Topic #50 Posted Jul 26, 2011, 02:27:46 pm

ive been looking for a soldier, for a friend from the CW,that was never found and brought home or a record of his burial,so ive been reading a lot of 1st person accounts,hoping to find his name mentioned,anyway i ran across this and its the 1st mention of the KGC,ive ever read by a soldier
dont know if it helps or not,but the mans opinion of the KGC is strong to the negative of the group
not trying to debate anything just posting a find
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Camp-fire chats of the Civil War ... By Washington Davis
Doubtless this incident will remind the veterans of 1861'65 of whole bookfuls of similar happenings. It reminded Maj. M. B. Parmeter, of the 77th Illinois, of one, which must be prefaced with an explanation:
There was a type of combatant in the North during the war known as "copper-head," the more virulent class of which were members of the " Knights of the Golden Circle;" the milder developments were less haughty, and were sometimes known as " plain copper-heads." But it is to the good feeling of all who stood by their country in the hour of her need, the S. P. U. H. included, that this entire type of citizens was limited, though the epithet was applied to many without desert.

It must not be understood by the term "combatant" that the main pillars of the K. of the G. C, with their adherents, were soldiers; for they kept as far to the rear as possible. They were combatants in everything except business at the front, and lacked the first principles of soldiership—patriotism and moral courage. They combated the policy of war from innate cowardice, more than from their love of peace; they decried emancipation because their opponents upheld it; opposed the government because it was not under their own direction. When the last call for troops was made, they were in sore lament. Already there were nearly a million soldiers in the field (and this was a thrust at all soldiers)—every man who became a soldier, and was detailed to forage, was no better than a thief, they said. Think of it—a million thieves, turned loose upon the unprotected citizens of the country! O temporal O mores! How homely to these "unprotected citizens" was the beautiful picture of the great concourse of a nation's children scattering to their peaceful homes across broad prairies, over mountains and through glens, to plow, preach, and pound anvils!
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Reply To This Topic #51 Posted Aug 18, 2011, 10:43:06 am

Lets see if I can get this right http://www.archive.org/stream/privatejournaldi00surr#page/58/mode/2up this is the private journal of John H. Surrat. He was a member of the KGC and explains the initiation in to the order as he experienced it. It also goes into how he and J.W. Booth were involved in the assassination of Lincoln. It is very interesting reading. It also leads one to believe that the KGC was dead broke at the end of the war.
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Reply To This Topic #52 Posted Aug 18, 2011, 02:23:21 pm

If the KGC is anything like the KKK then any "treasure" they may have had stashed away was dug up long ago and spent on things like crystal meth. I've met a few of these KKK - WORD REMOVED - Some people (parents of hadicapped children for example) find this word offensive.  Please don't use denigrating terms here at TreasureNet.  Thanks.s down here. Trust me they are trash of the highest regard. I seriously doubt there are any "noble" KGC sentinels currently guarding "buried treasure" when they could just go dig up the stuff and use to loot to buy a bunch of scratch off lottery tickets.   

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Reply To This Topic #53 Posted Aug 19, 2011, 07:20:35 am

and every tree with carvings leads to treasure.


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