Test your skills on this one! Spent years trying to ID this.

Bramblefind ~

                              Here's a 1939 issue of "Poultry Tribune."

I'm sure with the multitude of your research talents you can find the year for your ad.

                                         Congratulations, again ...

                                                    

                                                    Bob

                                          P.S. I also found this ...

Poultry Tribune Magazine

Poultry Tribune is a USA magazine covering Agriculture.

As of 2008, Poultry Tribune is no longer published. It was edited for the professional broiler grower with a farm capacity in excess of 100,000 birds per flock.

This magazine is owned by Watt Publishing Company.

another snippet:

                 Hey, is that Bramblefind on the cover of this 1944 issue ... ?

                  (Nah ... I bet she's smarter and better looking than that!)

      Also, it appears as if we are not the only ones interested in this magazine ...

                                            Check this out!

              http://www.poultryconnection.com/forums/showthread.php?t=950

Bob

hard to believe but hey grats on the proof, I tried but couldn't get the same snippet from that volume.
Looks like Jensen mfg didn't have much success from what I could dig up. Anyway I blame myself for
ending the most successful thread since Beekrock

another snippet:

Man I wish we could see the "whole" add for this Jensen "flick of the finger" Egg Counter.

Anyways, looking back on this whole thread.

MiddenMonster was the first to guess "counter of some sort" in post #1.

montepollock was the first to suggest "a counter mounted on a cage to keep track of something" in post #26 and #83.

Then there was a whole bunch of guessing and bickering of what it was until Bramblefind shows proof of what this really is.  

Well done.

[too]

Man I wish we could see the "whole" add for this Jensen "flick of the finger" Egg Counter.

Anyways, looking back on this whole thread.

MiddenMonster was the first to guess "counter of some sort" in post #1.

montepollock was the first to suggest "a counter mounted on a cage to keep track of something" in post #26 and #83.

Then there was a whole bunch of guessing and bickering of what it was until Bramblefind shows proof of what this really is.  

Its a shame that opposing points of view often turn to bickering from those who do not or cannot show any evidence.

Looking back, the turning point for me was when Bob urged me to clip the item to a cage type fence. Even though this was said before I didnt have the item in hand.  I posted the pics and it fit too perfectly. It made me realize that we need to take a second look at cage/fence related animal related counters..




Dont forget MJs image?  

Oh My God!
Well done Bramblefind!!!

This is a banner item for sure!
It's over!!!!!

ding dong --the wicked witch is dead !!! and what does our happy proof finder win --johnny?

In Honour of ryan's magnanimous gesture, I vouch to send a bottle of excellent NZ wine, to the person who solves the puzzle with a picture and explanation.
An interesting suggestion from one colleague today - a bullet (cartridge) counter - I googled it and all it's various connotations - nothing close at all. But I think the suggestion still has merit.
Call me an idiot but doesn't the counter count to 14 not 15? There are only 14 countersunk areas (available to whatever moves it) on the sprocket. If it was to do with bullets, could you have 14 in the mag and one up the spout?
Otherwise, 14 pounds = 1 stone, 14 days = two weeks
I love this site,
Cheers, Mike

Hey Mike, I think you owe Bramblefind a bottle of wine.    I can't remember if there are any other prizes offered for solving this one. 

Now, can you please solve this one.   http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,91892.0.html

I cannot believe you did that to me!    

My husband thinks I am totally insane. But when I found that it was just like believing in Santa on Christmas Morning  

Thanks so much everyone.   I'm so glad I was able to be a part of this.

It have really enjoyed my time here and it has been an honor to "detect" with you all.

                                            You're Welcome!

                                  You're the "Woman" of the hour!

                 I have been unable to find a 1956 issue of "Poultry Tribune"

                                            But I did find this ...

Bob

           http://paperboynews.com/search.cfm?catagory=poultry tribune&start=1

oh my gosh. i thought bramblefind was joking at first. i kept reading the posts finding it is true. oh my gosh.

so much congratulations is sent your way.    

mike

                                                ~ P.S. ~

              I'm searching for a 1956 issue of "Poultry Tribune" to purchase.

            If someone finds a source/link for one, please post it, or use a "PM."

   If nothing turns up soon, I may purchase a couple of them from my last post.

                 Or possibly from e-Bay where I also found a few more.

          (I just requested a couple of e-Bay sellers to check the ads for me)

          (I'll keep my fingers crossed it/they have one of Bramblefind's ads.)

                                                 Thanks ...

                                                   Bob

ding dong --the wicked witch is dead !!! and what does our happy proof finder win --johnny?

I will be more than happy to send her a free Metal Detective T-shirt & Hat!!
Send me your address & shirt size Bramblefind !

Ok i got it ,,,,,, You guys know that back bout the time that thing was made there was a depression goin on prolly , well mi guess is this thing is a clock in timer when 15 people clocks in everybody else goes home ,  or what about a part that fell off an ufo 

Ok i got it ,,,,,, You guys know that back bout the time that thing was made there was a depression goin on prolly , well mi guess is this thing is a clock in timer when 15 people clocks in everybody else goes home ,  or what about a part that fell off an ufo  

Can we keep guessing even though this is solved?

Is this the longest thread on t-net?

According to my post: http://forum.treasurenet.com/index....sg1960728/topicseen.html#msg1960728
I owe you either a one year Charter membership
or equivalent cash

You decide which and PM me. You earned it !

Now I can get a good nite's sleep 

GG~

According to my post: http://forum.treasurenet.com/index....sg1960728/topicseen.html#msg1960728
I owe you either a one year Charter membership [ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ]
or equivalent cash [ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ]

You decide which and PM me. You earned it !

Now I can get a good nite's sleep

GG~

Now thats a good guy!

                              Nice guy ... er, I mean "GoodGuy"

    But I wouldn't be sleeping too soundly until BigCy mails that gizmo back to you.

      He told me in a PM he was going to keep it and sell it to the highest bidder ...

                              Which is currently me at $20.00

                                  (Just joking, of course!)

                                              Bob

                           "Nice guy" ... er, I mean "GoodGuy"

     But I wouldn't be sleeping soundly until BigCy mails that gizmo back to you.

      He told me in a PM he was going to keep it and sell it to the highest bidder ...

                              Which is currently me at $20.00

                                  (Just joking, of course!)

                                              Bob

I dont know how many times I packaged it up and then ripped it open again to check on a new theory LOL.  Im mailing it tommorrow.

I wonder if the Poultry Historical Society people would be interested? 

BigCy Quote: "I wonder if the Poultry Historical Society people would be interested?"

                                                   Answer ...

                            I'm beginning to wonder if they even exist!
 
                            I still haven't heard from our Mr. Arrington ...

         And if/when I do ... I'll have to tell him he's a day late and $20.00 short!

                                                      

                                                     Bob
 

                                                                

yeah, $20.00 .....

I am thinking of contacting the "Soldotna Historical Society and Museum" and inquire if they would have any interest in it as a donation for display. I understand that they specialize in the homestead settlements history. It would be great to have the circular or poultry magizine to accompany it.

Soldotna Historical Society and Museum

 In 1986 the City of Soldotna leased 6 acres in Centennial Park for a period of 30 years to the Soldotna Historical Society. In the summer of 1990 the Society opened the area to visitors to view a "homesteader's village" comprised of several original log buildings used by Soldotna homesteaders in earlier days.

Among the log buildings available for viewing is the community school house, built in 1958. The Slikok Valley School, renamed Damon Hall in 1963, features a mural by local artist Boyd Shaffer and is filled with homesteader's donations. The former tourist information building, used by the Soldotna Chamber of Commerce, was given to the Society in 1987 and is also within the museum with early-day artifacts and wildlife mounts on display.

The Wildlife Museum and Historic Homestead Village opens May 15, 10 to 4, Tuesday through Saturday, 12 to 4 on Sunday and closed Monday. On Centennial Park Road the museum is a wonderful stroll through the early days of Soldotna, into a time and a way of life that is not lost to "modern day" living.

GG~

Hey GoodyGuy, if you do contact the Soldotna Historical Society, ask for Barbara Jewell.  She worked with my mother at the Kenai Peninsula Borough for 20 some odd years.  Now she heads the SHS.  Her daughter and I palled around together in high school.... Tell her Derryl Winters told you to call her.  You can be more specific in the location it was found.  It was found just south (100 yards) of the old Post Office/Sears Roebuck building by the river.  Now the location is paved over, and a fishing guide business is there.  I have no idea of the original homestead owners name, but it is south of Francis Mullens homestead.  Anyway, that might put a little provenance with the item.

MC

Hey GoodyGuy, if you do contact the Soldotna Historical Society, ask for Barbara Jewell.  She worked with my mother at the Kenai Peninsula Borough for 20 some odd years.  Now she heads the SHS.  Her daughter and I palled around together in high school.... Tell her Derryl Winters told you to call her.  You can be more specific in the location it was found.  It was found just south (100 yards) of the old Post Office/Sears Roebuck building by the river.  Now the location is paved over, and a fishing guide business is there.  I have no idea of the original homestead owners name, but it is south of Francis Mullens homestead.  Anyway, that might put a little provenance with the item.

MC

Thanks Musclecar,

If they want it, I will donate it to them in your name.

GG~

Thanks Bramblefind....  My blood pressure is back to normal and I am sleeping much better now...  Still dream about patent searches, but am able to stop after about 15....   

Way to go!!!!
 

                                  This is for everyone, but especially BigCy ...

If you haven't already noticed, take a close look again at Bramblefind's magazine snippet below.

Notice in the upper right hand corner of the image and you will see where the part that is "nicked/damaged" on GoodGuy's device, appears to be laid out flat here in the Poultry Tribune ad. This suggest to me that this portion of the device was originally flat, but in the case of GoodGuy's was bent over for some reason. We may never know why, other than it suggest the little invention had "optional" aspects for mounting. Plus, this may explain how it got nicked in the first place when someone used a pair of tin snips or pliers and grabbed it by the corner and bent it over. The overlapping finger wheel may have prevented this flange from being grabbed with pliers from the top. Thus, the small "corner" damage.    The only thing I don't see in the magazine image are clearly defined "screw holes."  (Try using 400% zoom for detail).

I'm still on the trail, and won't rest 'til I have a copy of the Poultry Tribune ad in my hands as a reminder of the most excitement I've had since Chicken Little ran around shouting ...

                                "The sky is falling!" ... "The sky is falling!"

                                               BLOODHOUNDBOB  

Yea I noticed that tab was bent up. (note reply #1335).  A lot has been made about it and I think unnecessarily. Even though it looks to be cut, I always thought it was an optional hanging tab, nothing more. I never believed it was attached to anything larger like others suggested. I am curious to see what the purpose of this tab really is. I still think its an optional hanger, but we will have to wait and see. But maybe   its a guard to keep the chickens from turning the wheel.   (They can be sneaky like that and I thought chickens were dumb )


 

Has patent 2787420 been posted yet?

if you did not produce enough eggs tojustify your feed you get "culled" in the world of WW2 era  chicken farming --so the chickens would push the wheel a bit when the farmer isn't looking 

Has patent 2787420 been posted yet?

DialM ~

              Yes, I posted the link to that patent on page 13, post #1277.

           Here it is again ... it's the one with the bendable tabs on the back.

Thanks,

SBB

                         http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2787420.pdf

        This has got to be the longest running sloved item on T-Net. Awesome detectorive  work!        Okay, What's next?

White Feather ~

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm looking for a 1956 copy of the "Poultry Tribune" magazine.

I have already contacted several sellers from e-Bay as well as a couple of other sources, and so far have heard back from four of them. According to their initial searches of numerous original copies of the magazine, there is no appearence of the "Egg Counter" ad in any of the 1940s or 1960s examples they had. It may only have been run during the 1950s, and possibly only in 1956.     If anyone happens to stumble across anything pertaining to this, please post it or let me know via a PM.

P.S. This could get a little complicated if twenty people contact the same e-Bay seller with the same exact question, but I'm not sure how to prevent this unless we organize something via PM's.  I'm open for suggestions.

Thanks,

Bob

WoooooooooHoooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Just spotted the GREEN CHECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Done Bramblefind     

I'm sending you a PM so we can get that bottle of Fine New Zealand wine to you

and great perseverance by all the other members           

It feels like a Chapter in my life has finished

Cheers, Mike

Thats a wonderful gesture Mike! But I realize the offer was made in the frustration of the moment.  if it is a big hassle to get it to me in New York I will understand.

I was just going to post to Bob -

this might help in locating that magazine in a library.  I used a random Sacramento zip code b/c I wanted to find a location in California (most likely to carry the Southwest Edition).  It looks like University of CA Davis Shields Library might have it -

http://www.worldcat.org/title/poult...bune/oclc/8484265?pgload=backtoitem

Title    Poultry tribune. 
Published    Mount Norris, Ill. [etc.] 
Description    93 v.  ill.  29 cm. 
Publication History    v. 1-93, no. 9; 1895-Sept. 1987. 
Record format    <Serial> 
   SE Serial 
Check Availability    All items 
Call no.    Northern Regional Lib Facility SF481 .P63
 
   
 
Note    Vols. for July 1931-Aug. 1969 issued in several regional editions. 
Link Note    Absorbed: Big four poultry journal in 1918 and: Egg industry in 1977. Absorbed in part: Poultry processing and marketing in 1964. 
Subject    Poultry -- Periodicals. 
   Poultry industry -- Periodicals. 
Add.Entry    Poultry tribune. Midwest edition. 
   Poultry tribune. Southeast edition. 
Absorbed    Egg industry 1977 
   Big four poultry journal 1918 
Absorbed in part    Poultry processing and marketing 1964 
Continued by    Egg industry (Mount Morris, Ill. : 1987). Egg industry 0896-2804 
ISSN    0032-5805 

Bramblefind, PM sent.
I made that pledge in good faith and I've been looking forward to the day I can give the wine away (or drink it myself  )
It is absolutely NO HASSLE for me to send it!!
Cheers, Mike

Darn I take that back.  I don't know if they have it but one of those other libraries might.

Location        Northern Regional Lib Facility SF481 .P63
Electronic Location      [File Extension: url] { Request online at: } http://www.lib.ucdavis.edu/access/illweb/index.html ;  
Summary Holdings      v.81:no.1-v.81:no.2,v.81:no.4-v.82:no.11,v.83:no.2-v.93:no.9(1975:Jan.-1987:Sept.) Issues for v.93 are bound with the later title: "Egg Industry" with the same call number.
Local holdings note      Vols. for <1957>- in this Library are primarily from the Midwest edition, with some scattered issues of the Southeast edition.
     

Mike - You're awesome.  Thank you!

Has patent 2787420 been posted yet?

DialM ~

              Yes, I posted the link to that patent on page 13, post #1277.
           Here it is again ... it's the one with the bendable tabs on the back.

Thanks,

SBB

                         http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2787420.pdf

Yep and I posted it on page 12, reply # 1163. It was on the list of references reply #1138. Bob posted the patent link in #1160. I posted different bendable tabs on counters in reply #1163, #1164, and # 1138.    A lot of pages to read.

Bramblefind ~

Thank you for the library information. I've done an initial search, and although there are copies of the Poultry Tribune available in the California system, I have yet to locate anything in San Diego county where I live. I haven't quite figured out the transfer from one library to another part yet, but intend to take a closer look at that.

Actually, until you just suggested it, I never even thought of libraries. I guess that's one of the reasons why you solved this thing before anyone else. It's what I call thinking outside of the chicken coop.

Idealy, I would like to locate a copy(s) to purchase and keep. I figure poultry magazines will fit right in with my Spider-Man collection. But please, no comic book questions from anyone ... that's the topic of an entirely different forum. However, I can let you in on a little insider tip. Just today, (3-3-10) they released Spider-Man #623 where Peter Parker gets fired from the newspaper where he has worked as a photographer (although still in his twenties) since 1963. The release is considered a landmark event, and will only increase in value over time. But don't tell BigCy I mentioned any of this. If you do, I may get fired myself.

Thanks again, and I will let you know when I find one of those Poultry Tribune magazines.

Bob

                                 
I'm still on the trail, and won't rest 'til I have a copy of the Poultry Tribune ad in my hands as a reminder of the most excitement I've had since Chicken Little ran around shouting ...

                                

I havent had this much excitement since Gertrude laid her first egg.

[GREEN CHECK]

OMG, I saw the GREEN CHECK beside this post and almost fainted!  BRAMBLE you are THE BOMB!!!   Congratulations! YOU go GIRL!     Breezie

There I was, running around like a chicken with it's head cut off, asking everyone I met if they knew eggsactly what the thang was, and then eggsploring every lead.

 After a year I became more than a little eggsasperated, and I am not eggsagerating.
Because with all my eggsperence I still layed an egg even after looking in an hencyclopedia.

I was just to the point of eggshaustion when Bramblefind hatched out the answer that had eggscaped all our scratching around.
Finding the eggsact picture that answered all our eggspectations for an ID!

How eggsciting!  I am eggstatic!

While we are on the subject of egg counters, here is a cool 31 day 1942 patented counter.

Hat's off to Bramblefind, can't find a hat's off icon so...
    If this solution doesn't make the banner....
well,    dangit  this has to be banner worthy if anything ever
was!
If this doesn't get the rocognition it deserves after so many
of you hard working detectives spent the countless hours you did
searching, well............
COME ON MODS....BANNER  BANNER BANNER


My 5th  ever post on tnet....  #363 Posted Jan 15, 2008, 12:17:30 AM
By the way, no one ever said welcome to tnet,  I still haven't got over
that, obviously.  lol

I think whomever suggested it mounts on a cage and is a hand operated
counter for whatever,  quarantine days, vaccination, gestation  on something
is right.  It appears to hang on a wire from the two V prongs and the two
tabs on the bottom are bent upward around the wire to secure it.  Looks like
it was used a little by the wear under the outside edge of the teeth but the tabs
to secure it were never bent up or were bent back so that you can't see they
were once bent up.

 If the distance between the two wires I photoshopped into the pic below
is close to two inches, seems like it would mount on standard cage wire
or dog fence material.  

I nominated banner.   Didn't someone else say they thought it was an egg counter back about halfway through the pages?  Didn't that thing get sold a couple of times?  Whoever's got it should send it back to Musclecar.
Now if someone could figure out what the hell those pignut things are.

[nothing more.]

]

My 5th  ever post on tnet....  #363 Posted Jan 15, 2008, 12:17:30 AM
By the way, no one ever said welcome to tnet,  I still haven't got over
that, obviously.  lol

I think whomever suggested it mounts on a cage and is a hand operated
counter for whatever,  quarantine days, vaccination, gestation  on something
is right.  It appears to hang on a wire from the two V prongs and the two
tabs on the bottom are bent upward around the wire to secure it.  Looks like
it was used a little by the wear under the outside edge of the teeth but the tabs
to secure it were never bent up or were bent back so that you can't see they
were once bent up.

 If the distance between the two wires I photoshopped into the pic below
is close to two inches, seems like it would mount on standard cage wire
or dog fence material.  

It was montepollack who first suggested it may mount on a cage and sorry if you werent welcomed to TN.
"WELCOME TO TN."      I was glad when you jumped on the cage counter wagon and your new observations were very helpful.

In reply to your negative PM towards me about the possible broken tab, go back and look at my diagram in reply# 1316.  I know there is a lot to read here and you may have missed it. I never thought this counter was connected to anything larger or mechanical.. I bent over backwards trying to disprove any mechanical/thermostat connection and my feeling was this could only be a simple counter.  I thought it was a broken hanging tab, nothing more. I only tried to be fair without prejudice to other suggestions. I guess I cant please everybody and I dont make things up later to make myself look good..

I have seen something similiar mounted on either a fence ,or a rabbit cage I don,t exactly Remember,but could it be used to keep track of some interval like vaccinations or innoculation?
[/quote

Heres another montepollack reply on page 1, #83.   We need to give some credit where credit is due.  We only needed to take his theory and prove it, which turned out to be a monumental task.

the one I seen was mounted on a rabbit cge or chicken coup,My guess is still a counter  but what?
a fertility counter of sometype to predict when animal was in estrus?
a vaacination reminder?
A chicken egg productivity counter?
Keep this post alive
I just gotta know, was it five or six?

I nominated banner.   Didn't someone else say they thought it was an egg counter back about halfway through the pages?  Didn't that thing get sold a couple of times?  Whoever's got it should send it back to Musclecar.
Now if someone could figure out what the hell those pignut things are.

Musclecar found it on Alaska, Goodyguy obtained it, Im sending it back to Goodyguy who offered to donate it Soldotna Historical Society in Alaska.

The Piggnuts were IDed as modern Gonjji stones (Sports Jack Stones) but because an exact match was not found, Piggy refused to accept the ID.  PBK, who was the moderator at the time, froze the thread to keep it from going in circles forever..  I would like to see the Piggnutts thread brought back so we can put it to rest properly.   http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,91892.0.html

Pronghorn ~

                  Here's a "Hats Off To Bramblefind" animation I found.

Bob

Here's a little icing on the cake!    I ordered this book last week ($6.98 shipping included) because I thought it just might have something to help.  I referenced it in one of my snippet view posts - it is "Keeping Chickens in Cages" by Roland C. Hartman, 1953 ed.  Just brought it in from today's mail-

                           IS BRAMBLEFIND AMAZING OR WHAT?

Once again, WTG Bramblefind! 

Your research is top-notch and amazing. 

Great work Bramblefind. I agree she is amazing.

For what its worth, notice "The dial counter can be fastened either to the cage wires or the 1x4 inch wood hangers used in many cage houses."   I could be wrong but I still believe that this back tab was for this optional mounting that has been snipped off for some reason.

               Also notice the longer flat "flanges/tabs" on the left side!

                     Are they wrapped around the wire, or missing?

                              I think they are "wrapped around."

                                                  

                                                   Bob

Yep they are wrapped around. Notice a different center rivet and a slightly longer "golf club" type metal strengthening..

                                      Did someone say ...

                                    "Chicken in a Cage"

    This was just too cute and is especially for Bramblefind ... "The egg lady"

                                              

                                               Bob

Bramblefind ~

I wanted to let you know I just bought the only copy of "Keeping Chickens In Cages" that I could find on the entire internet. It was from Amazon.com, and it referred to it as an "original" (hardcover) copy from 1953! But I don't know if it had the dust cover like your's does or not. I hope so, and guess I will find out in a couple of weeks.

                                       "Yahoo Mountain Dew!"

                                       (I'm in the "club" now!)

                                                Thanks ...

                                                  Bob

                                              

The funny thing is I did have a chicken.  We inherited her when we moved here.  She was free range and the sweetest thing.  We lost her the second winter though.  Probably from a barn cat, fisher or coyote. But I already have a chicken house, waterer and feeder.  

And the night before I was able to find the snippet of the "Jensen Mfg" connection to the thing I had just finished reading "The Egg and I"    

Bramblefind ~

I wanted to let you know I just bought the only copy of "Keeping Chickens In Cages" that I could find on the entire internet. It was from Amazon.com, and it referred to it as an "original" (hardcover) copy from 1953! But I don't know if it had the dust cover like your's does or not. I hope so, and guess I will find out in a couple of weeks.

                                       "Yahoo Mountain Dew!"

                                       (I'm in the "club" now!)

                                                Thanks ...

                                                  Bob

                                              

It is a nice souvenir of the saga  

Keep Advanced Book Exchange in mind for used book too - I have had good experiences with the sellers there:

http://www.abebooks.com

                                            "WOW!"

                      Is there no end to your amazing talents?

             There are enough available copies here for everyone ...

              (Including BigCy, who I am sure will want several).

The first printing was in 1950, and it appears to have had at least three more printings through 1956. So it must have been a very popular book during it's "hayday".    

 
Bob

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sea...chickens+in+cages&x=56&y=13

                                               ~ P.S. ~

Bramblefind ~

How about focusing those amazing talents of your's on trying to find a Patent on the device?

If there is one to be found, I know you can do it! You might even earn yourself another Gold Star for your collection!

Thanks,

Bob

I am very disappointed that the solving of one of the greatest mysteries on T-Net has not made the banner  
How many nominations does it take anyway

I know I nominated it....... anyone else?  

GG~

BTW Bramblefind  you still haven't pm'd me your choice of prizes:
 http://forum.treasurenet.com/index....ic,58818.msg2196415.html#msg2196415

I am very disappointed that the solving of one of the greatest mysteries on T-Net has not made the banner  
How many nominations does it take anyway

I know I nominated it....... anyone else?  

GG~

BTW Bramblefield  you still haven't pm'd me your choice of prizes:

Thinking it over, maybe not banner (banner is for recent finds) but there should be some kind of official recognition for those who donate their time and effort to ID these unknowns. The best of the best should be given some kind of award. Its just a suggestion.

I am very disappointed that the solving of one of the greatest mysteries on T-Net has not made the banner  
How many nominations does it take anyway

I know I nominated it....... anyone else?  

GG~

BTW Bramblefield  you still haven't pm'd me your choice of prizes:

Thinking it over, maybe not banner (banner is for recent finds) but there should be some kind of official recognition for those who donate their time and effort to ID these unknowns. The best of the best should be given some kind of award. Its just a suggestion.

Yes I see where the wording has recently been changed to: "only consider recent finds/posts".
Guess that was done to disqualify this. It wasn't that long ago that an engagement announcement made the banner.
 

the one I seen was mounted on a rabbit cge or chicken coup,My guess is still a counter  but what?
a fertility counter of sometype to predict when animal was in estrus?
a vaacination reminder?
A chicken egg productivity counter?
Keep this post alive
I just gotta know, was it five or six?

Im still trying to contact montepollock to tell him he was right 3 years ago. Does anybody know him?

   Just for the record, here's a cropped image of Bramblefind's chicken book photo.

Wouldn't you know it, now that this thing is "almost" over, I finally learn how to re-size.

By the way, my dad is home from the hospital and happily counting his eggs as well as his blessings. Plus, he wishes to express his congratulations to Bramblefind. Also, Bramblefind gets my "Banner" vote ... (As soon as I become a charter member, that is ... which will be soon!)

                      And to think ... it was right at our "finger tips" all along!

Thanks,

Bob

Lets bring back the Piggnutts so Bramblefind can get a crack at it.

This thread is in the top 10 of most replies and 4th in most views.

The following video is dedicated to my grand children who I have been neglecting for the past several weeks because of my preoccupation with the greatest "What Is It?" ever "SOLVED!!"
                                                  
                                        Thanks again to all,

                                   SODABOTTLEBOB & FAMILY

                       <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Vnp4kj5lLOU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Vnp4kj5lLOU</a>

It was a fun topic

It was an interesting "what is it"

It was a great ID!

But - the obssession of a few does not a banner find make.   

Goodyguy, don't send the counter to Alaska, send it to Bramblefind. She has chickens, and needs to count the eggs:)

MC

[nothing more.]

In reply to your negative PM towards me about the possible broken tab, go back and look at my diagram in reply# 1316.  I know there is a lot to read here and you may have missed it. I never thought this counter was connected to anything larger or mechanical.. I bent over backwards trying to disprove any mechanical/thermostat connection and my feeling was this could only be a simple counter.  I thought it was a broken hanging tab, nothing more. I only tried to be fair without prejudice to other suggestions. I guess I cant please everybody and I dont make things up later to make myself look good..

As usual you are right bigcypresshunter and I apologize,
         I was wrong!

I did somehow mistake anothers insistence on there being
a missing piece as something you posted and I am sorry if
I upset you, which apparently my comment did.  Again
I apologize.  It was you who was always eager to
indulge every idea and discuss them unselfishly with anyone.
My hat's off to you also.  Now I am putting myself on timeout
to reflect on my indiscretion.

[nothing more.]

In reply to your negative PM towards me about the possible broken tab, go back and look at my diagram in reply# 1316.  I know there is a lot to read here and you may have missed it. I never thought this counter was connected to anything larger or mechanical.. I bent over backwards trying to disprove any mechanical/thermostat connection and my feeling was this could only be a simple counter.  I thought it was a broken hanging tab, nothing more. I only tried to be fair without prejudice to other suggestions. I guess I cant please everybody and I dont make things up later to make myself look good..

As usual you are right bigcypresshunter and I apologize,
         I was wrong!

I did somehow mistake anothers insistence on there being
a missing piece as something you posted and I am sorry if
I upset you, which apparently my comment did.  Again
I apologize.  It was you who was always eager to
indulge every idea and discuss them unselfishly with anyone.
My hat's off to you also.  Now I am putting myself on timeout
to reflect on my indiscretion.

Sorry I probably overreacted. That was very big of you to apologize. Im sorry for getting upset over frivolous things.  

Actually we were both on the same page. Your insight into the manufacturing of this item, definitely helped keep us focused in the right direction. You actually were a big help and you were correct all along.

As far as the little tab whether it was snipped or not, we dont know but it doesnt matter, its solved.  

Good Night
Sweet Dreams 

This piece is very much similar to the dial on a caboose furnace. I'm not sure how the mechanics work on the flip side of this dial. The 'stop' indicates this piece is in fact a a dial, rather than a 'counter'. The dials on our current cabooses are built the same with only 9 settings instead of 15. I hope this helps.

This piece is very much similar to the dial on a caboose furnace. I'm not sure how the mechanics work on the flip side of this dial. The 'stop' indicates this piece is in fact a a dial, rather than a 'counter'. The dials on our current cabooses are built the same with only 9 settings instead of 15. I hope this helps.

Not really - this was already solved.

I still say it is clearly a very heavy duty dirt bike sprocket slash refrigerator temp control. 

I still say it is clearly a very heavy duty dirt bike sprocket slash refrigerator temp control.  

Clearly you jest.       http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jest

I cant belive this didn’t make CNN.
Nice job, I can sleep again.
 

The end of a legend.

BigCy ~

                                      Are you sure you didn't mean ...

                                            End of a "Leghorn?"

The Leghorn is a breed of chicken with origins in Tuscany, central Italy. The first birds imported to North America in 1853 were called "Italians." By 1865 the breed was named after the Italian city of Livorno, on the western edge of Tuscany, which in English translates as "Leghorn."

         
SODAPOPBOB

As a sidenote I read the complete 1927 volume of the poultry mag and in one of the issues they had a leghorn lay 122 eggs in one month, seems the counter might be overmatched, lol

wwace ~

You got me curious about the 122 eggs per month deal. Could you please scan and post the article you are referring to? So far, the following quote is the best I could come up with regarding this subject.

Thanks much,

SODABOB

The leghorn is known as "The Ultimate egg machine" by breeders and is one of the most commonly used by the commercial egg industry, averaging between 265 to 300 pearl white eggs per year.





 

As a sidenote I read the complete 1927 volume of the poultry mag and in one of the issues they had a leghorn lay 122 eggs in one month, seems the counter might be overmatched, lol

I googled back to 1927 and found these contests were done with 5 birds. Thats probably a record of 122 eggs laid by 5 birds in one month, which is still pretty good, but the counter can handle it.

Egg laying contests, under official supervision, usually consists of 5 to 20 birds.  http://tinyurl.com/y8qydnr

Hey Bramblefind ~  (And all)

I wanted to let you know I just this minute recieved my "Keeping Chickens In Cages" book in the mail. It's the 1953 printing, and in great shape, but it doesn't have a dust cover like your's does. Oh well, nice souvenir anyway. Before long I will be an "eggspert" like you are. But you're still the man ... er, I mean "Woman of the Year!"

Just for the heck of it I thought I would post this page from the book that referes to a egg record card. It has some interesting information that may help answer some of the questions we all had earlier. 

Take care,

Bob  

As a sidenote I read the complete 1927 volume of the poultry mag and in one of the issues they had a leghorn lay 122 eggs in one month, seems the counter might be overmatched, lol

I googled back to 1927 and found these contests were done with 5 birds. Thats probably a record of 122 eggs laid by 5 birds in one month, which is still pretty good, but the counter can handle it.

Egg laying contests, under official supervision, usually consists of 5 to 20 birds.  http://tinyurl.com/y8qydnr

http://books.google.com/books?id=6R...=poultry%20tribune%2062&f=false pg 28 more proof my eyesight is bad yes it says pen which is five birds in this case

During the course of my participation in this thread I often spoke of my grand father's chicken ranch were my own father was raised during the 1920s and 30s. This inspired me to go through numerous boxes of old photos recently, and of the several hundred pictures they included, the one below is literally the only one I could find of my grand father on his ranch. He bought the ranch around 1915, and the photo was taken in 1929. I didn't think anyone would mind my posting it, especially since it took me almost as long to find this photo as it did to solve this "What Is It?"

Take care,

Bob  

I heard from Lou Arrington today, (Poultry Historical Society), and have copy/pasted his message below. I've already replied to him and have requested copies of the magazine ads he refers to. As it turns out, Mr. Arrington and my uncle both went to Cal-Davis college. Although my uncle was quite a few years ahead of Mr. Arrington.

I realize this thread is solved, but I will post the magazine ads showing the egg tallying device when they arrive.

      P.S. Just in case you're wondering, it's wwace's link that has elongated this page.

SODABOTTLEBOB

                                                 ~ * ~

Bob

" The device you found is probably an "improved" version of the patented model.  I did find an ad for the one like yours (and the one in Hartman's book) in Poultry Tribune magazine, May, 1955, page 38. I also came across three other versions in poultry magazine ads in the '50s. I would be happy to mail copies of the ads to you if you send your address (no hurry --- I'll be out all of next week).

Just a couple of thoughts about the device. The patent model had 10 numbers. The idea was probably to keep track of 1 week's egg production and decide to keep or cull (dispose of (chicken soup?)) each hen, based on her production. Of course, the birds had to be in individual cages. Your model (with 14 numbers) was more likely used in research or in breeding programs, where it was not unusual to keep records for 2-week periods. Production for each 2-week period would be marked down in the record book. Theoretically, a hen cannot lay more than one egg a day, so 14 numbers was suitable for a 2-week record. However, a few hens are not aware of that theory, and do the impossible of laying more than one egg in a day.  

The slot in the panel behind the counter wheel helps ensure that the dial moves only one space when the egg collector picks up and records the egg. Some of the other variations found in ads had other ways to move the counter, but the idea was similar. Chicken houses tend to be somewhat dusty, which might hinder the function of the counter wheel.

So far, I have not found anyone who recognized or used such devices. When I was a graduate student at the University of California-Davis, we had a device which attached under the egg tray, with "fingers" coming up between the wires. When an egg was laid, it rolled down the sloped floor, pushed the "fingers" down, turning a counter wheel, thus recording the egg. It did have its problems, though, because the egg didn't always roll down to the tray, and the hen could reach her foot or head under the feed trough and record an egg than was never laid.

Thanks for sharing the photos and information. The American Poultry Historical Society (APHS) is always looking for information on items used for poultry production in the past.

The Poultry Tribune ad was by the JENSEN MFG. CO., Orange,Calif. While it was changed appreciably from the patent illustration, the patent holder (Frank Distaso) may well have sold his rights to this company.

Some of this response is our "best guess". If other information becomes available, I'll get back to you. Send your address if you would like copies of the ads referred to."

Sincerely,

Lou Arrington

 

Does anyone know how to stop following a thread? I started following this a while back and now that its solved and people are still posting to it, I'd like to stop having it pop up in my replies. Thanks.

Does anyone know how to stop following a thread? I started following this a while back and now that its solved and people are still posting to it, I'd like to stop having it pop up in my replies. Thanks.

Ive heard people complain about this in the past on other threads. I dont see a big deal because I have 20 posts a day in my replies, so to me, what is one more?    Im sure you can stop the entire notification process if you so desire, but I dont know if you can put a single thread on ignore. I dont feel the necessity to lock down this post. I think it will eventually fade away. Afterall it was one of the biggest mysteries of TN for years.  Looking back on it, I still cant believe so many people could be so wrong. If your tired of deleting, I dont know if you can put a single thread on ignore. I just dont know.



You could remove all your posts in this thread like SWR suggested, if it really bothers you.  Or you could ask a moderator.


ADDED: I just thought of something. You could simply just ignore the notification. They will NOT keep sending notifications if you dont open it.  Just simply ignore it and you will never be notified again. A month from now you can delete it.

With appreciation extended to everyone concerned, especially to GoodGuy, as well as the mediating administration of TreasureNet, I respectfully request that this thread be allowed to continue for a little while longer. It is not every day that a national historical society takes an interest in something that to some may seem to be nothing more than an insignificant aluminum device for counting chicken eggs. As Mr. Arrington expressed in his own words;  "Thanks for sharing the photos and information. The American Poultry Historical Society (APHS) is always looking for information on items used for poultry production in the past." Furthermore, I honestly feel that my recent post may very well be of interest to the majority of individuals who have been following this topic for the past four years. If GoodGuy, who is the owner of this thread, has any objections to my posting of the magazine images I am looking forward to receiving from Mr. Arrington, then I will honor GoodGuy's request and cease immediately. In the meantime, all anyone has to do is click on the link below and they will be asked a simple yes or no question, and if they click on the "No," they will no longer receive notifications from this topic number 58818.0.

Thank you to everyone concerned for allowing me to add a little bit of historical significance to an otherwise mundane topic.

Sincerely,

Bob

P.S. Although unrelated, did you know that today is Albert Einstein's birthday? ( 3-14-1879 / 4-18-1955 ) And that his interest in science started at the age of five because of a facination with compasses? Who knows, maybe someday a child will discover an interest in our little egg counter and become the next Einstein.

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With appreciation extended to everyone concerned, especially to GoodGuy, as well as the mediating administration of TreasureNet, I respectfully request that this thread be allowed to continue for a little while longer. It is not every day that a national historical society takes an interest in something that to some may seem to be nothing more than an insignificant aluminum device for counting chicken eggs. As Mr. Arrington expressed in his own words;  "Thanks for sharing the photos and information. The American Poultry Historical Society (APHS) is always looking for information on items used for poultry production in the past." Furthermore, I honestly feel that my recent post may very well be of interest to the majority of individuals who have been following this topic for the past four years. If GoodGuy, who is the owner of this thread, has any objections to my posting of the magazine images I am looking forward to receiving from Mr. Arrington, then I will honor GoodGuy's request and cease immediately. In the meantime, all anyone has to do is click on the link below and they will be asked a simple yes or no question, and if they click on the "No," they will no longer receive notifications from this topic number 58818.0.

Thank you to everyone concerned for allowing me to add a little bit of historical significance to an otherwise mundane topic.

Sincerely,

Bob

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Actually Musclecar is the thread owner.

I became a member of T-net for two reasons, number one was to learn, number two was to share information. As far as I am concerned as long as you are keeping on subject in a manner that is consistent with wrapping up the mystery and bringing it to a final conclusion, then personally I see no harm.  Keeping in mind that no one wants to see a dead horse beaten.

When you receive the copies of the ads I hope you are able to post them here and put this baby to a final rest.
I wonder how much it sold for in the 50's ?  My guess would be $1.99 - $2.99

GG~

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Wow that was easy. Did you get that BamaBill and SWR?  


I actually had a guy email me a while back and told me to stop posting because he didnt want any unnecessary notifications.  

I say its OK as long as you stay on topic. I think Einsteins birthday is unrelated and unnecessary but I am still following to see the latest magazine egg counter pictures.

Did you read that Bob?  Maybe we need a new feature to ignore replies to a specific topic. .  Im going to test it to see it it stops reply notifications as well as e-mails.  Somebody post to see if I get notified.. .

This is a test post to see if big cy gets notified.

This is a test post to see if big cy gets notified.

I was notified. Oh well.

I would suggest, for those who are bothered, to just ignore the 1st notification otherwise they will just keep coming. Good threads dont die, they just fade away.

Best ID Ever.   


I do think that the ID crew deserve some honorable mention--especially when the ID is as tough as this one.  Just as the folks that return lost property to the owners are an asset to the hobby,  so also are the folks here who work hard to make sure it all gets ID'ed. 


-Buck