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Reply To This Topic #600 Posted Dec 20, 2008, 08:48:25 am |
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Wow! I would like to thank all of you for all the time that you have spent trying to figure this out. I can't believe it has been over 2 years! I am not the proud owner anymore. This item was SOLD on Ebay. Thanks to all that bid on it. The lucky buyer is some guy that said his name was Anon Mous. I would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and God bless you all musclecar
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Reply To This Topic #601 Posted Dec 20, 2008, 08:52:03 am |
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well i tried. got outbid at the last minute. I had to go shopping and forgot it only had 4 hours left at the time. But congratulations to who ever won the item, even though we dont know what the heck it is, it was still a great mystery. Good job musclecar!
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Reply To This Topic #602 Posted Dec 20, 2008, 01:05:20 pm |
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Here's something that would be "Murphy's Law" (btw, Murphy is a close personal friend of mine  ) Wouldn't be something if the highest bidder "knows" what it is and that's why they bought it...lol musclecar, have you thought about asking the bidder if they know what it is? Or, have they told you?
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Reply To This Topic #603 Posted Dec 20, 2008, 02:44:40 pm |
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Piggy have you been following this? Put your Piggnuts on e-bay while the iron is hot! 
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Reply To This Topic #604 Posted Dec 21, 2008, 04:42:14 am |
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I'm just waiting for the buyer to do a chargeback with Paypal so s/he can keep both the item and your money!  Seriously, I hope you don't get ripped-off musclecar.
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Reply To This Topic #605 Posted Dec 21, 2008, 05:47:09 am |
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Absurd! This thang carries a curse. If this person does this, So be it. At least it would not drive us nuts anymore......NGE
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Reply To This Topic #606 Posted Dec 21, 2008, 07:50:04 am |
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Reply To This Topic #607 Posted Dec 21, 2008, 07:52:03 am |
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you can clearly see that nothing was broken off or connected to the bottom rivet.
I asked this question before to you musclecar. For those that think its a cold control, did it appear that anything could have broken from the center shaft? ...or is it just a rivet as it appears?
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Reply To This Topic #609 Posted Dec 21, 2008, 09:05:59 am |
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On the other side of the coin, those who believe the teeth/sprocket/cog turned something else, do you see any wear or indication of usage.
No I dont. I think if the sprockets turned plastic film, or counted exposures, on a occasionaly used camera, there would be little wear.  This counter/control is very delicate and is not used much I agree.
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Reply To This Topic #610 Posted Dec 21, 2008, 12:22:06 pm |
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On the other side of the coin, those who believe the teeth/sprocket/cog turned something else, do you see any wear or indication of usage.
No I dont. I think if the sprockets turned plastic film, or counted exposures, on a occasionaly used camera, there would be little wear.  This counter/control is very delicate and is not used much I agree. Now That the picture is more clear I am wondering If the shape of the sprocket ends would be like putting a round peg into a square hole so to speak. The tops of the teeth seem to be built up or reinforced keeping them from having a true rectangular shape that would mesh with the hole in the film. I am beginning to think its not part of a camera after all! Buddy~ most old film didnt have sprocket holes. Read back post #581. I dont know exactly how it turned. (Fig. 3)
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Reply To This Topic #611 Posted Dec 21, 2008, 01:23:14 pm |
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Cool so my first guess could still be right!
Buddy~
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Reply To This Topic #612 Posted Dec 21, 2008, 11:04:59 pm |
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Well guys lets keep this going, only a few days left in 2008 now...... you surely can bs enought for that....
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Reply To This Topic #613 Posted Dec 22, 2008, 05:43:39 pm |
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Well guys lets keep this going, only a few days left in 2008 now...... you surely can bs enought for that....
Tee Hee...... BUMP!!!
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Reply To This Topic #614 Posted Dec 22, 2008, 09:29:50 pm |
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BUMPETY BUMP BUMP! hehehe
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Reply To This Topic #616 Posted Dec 23, 2008, 07:28:52 am |
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I think someone in here bought it and is going to have it gold plated, and surprise Mr. Musclecar on his next birthday........  ...........NGE
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Reply To This Topic #617 Posted Dec 23, 2008, 10:02:24 am |
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Reply To This Topic #618 Posted Dec 25, 2008, 03:06:45 pm |
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I enjoyed the long ..long...long post regarding identification of this item. I think I was on the second page before it dawned on me what it could be. Two clues stood out "It seems familiar" and "what has 15 items". I think you found a billiard tally. The sprockets are set far enough apart for the end of the pool cue to be used to advance the counter after each target ball was scored, it is easy to reset back to one and stops when you are shooting at the final ball. I think I have seen these built into some of the less expensive tables, but I could not find an image to post.
I just received a MXT-300 and am itching to get out and give it a go...but can you believe that its raining here in sunny So-Cal.
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Reply To This Topic #619 Posted Dec 25, 2008, 08:19:50 pm |
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I enjoyed the long ..long...long post regarding identification of this item. I think I was on the second page before it dawned on me what it could be. Two clues stood out "It seems familiar" and "what has 15 items". I think you found a billiard tally. The sprockets are set far enough apart for the end of the pool cue to be used to advance the counter after each target ball was scored, it is easy to reset back to one and stops when you are shooting at the final ball. I think I have seen these built into some of the less expensive tables, but I could not find an image to post.
I just received a MXT-300 and am itching to get out and give it a go...but can you believe that its raining here in sunny So-Cal.
I guess you didnt get to read it all because this guess has been mentioned quite a few times.
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Reply To This Topic #620 Posted Dec 25, 2008, 08:43:38 pm |
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You should have alerted Jay Leno before selling it. He would have done a segment on the thing.... 
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Reply To This Topic #621 Posted Dec 26, 2008, 08:37:32 pm |
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Could it be part of the insides from a oldstyle pedometer ? Somthing like this but with single dial. I think they only had 3 moving parts, a pendulium, a dial and a spring. Just a guess but i could swear i have seen a dail like that when i was a kid ,maybe when tearing apart a pedometer. If you could find what those went up to.
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Reply To This Topic #622 Posted Dec 27, 2008, 12:10:40 pm |
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is it and this thread dead yet?  hell I thought it was killed --  its just been "passed" on to another unsuspecting soul. curses.
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Reply To This Topic #623 Posted Dec 28, 2008, 05:43:57 pm |
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I think someone in here bought it and is going to have it gold plated, and surprise Mr. Musclecar on his next birthday........  ...........NGE Nope. I bet if it wasn't someone from T-Net, a year from now they will be searching the net for MD forums to post and ask people what it is. I bet it shows up about a year from now...Or, they run with the Jay Leno idea, get that God aweful thing on national TV and then re-sell on Ebay for a few thousand.
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Reply To This Topic #624 Posted Dec 28, 2008, 06:05:45 pm |
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Truth is, I wouldnt pay 50 cents for it. Its a worthless aluminum unidentified broken curiosity piece. But then again a moldy burnt cheese sandwich once sold on eBay...  One person's trash, is another person's treasure.
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Reply To This Topic #625 Posted Dec 29, 2008, 06:37:09 pm |
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Truth is, I wouldnt pay 50 cents for it. Its a worthless aluminum unidentified broken curiosity piece. But then again a moldy burnt cheese sandwich once sold on eBay...  One person's trash, is another person's treasure. Bottom line here is musclecar sold it right? Looks like he made almost 50 bucks for a worthless item. Not bad. I bow to your ebay skills musclecar.
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Reply To This Topic #626 Posted Dec 29, 2008, 08:36:00 pm |
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If we "treasurenet" had a BEST what is it find for 2008 this would def. win 1st Just for the hell of it and for S***S and giggles I think it ought to get BANNER 
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Reply To This Topic #627 Posted Dec 29, 2008, 08:39:28 pm |
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Bottom line here is musclecar sold it right? Looks like he made almost 50 bucks for a worthless item. Not bad. I bow to your ebay skills musclecar.
true If we "treasurenet" had a BEST what is it find for 2008 this would def. win 1st Just for the hell of it and for S***S and giggles I think it ought to get BANNER  I think "Piggnuts" would be numero uno and the brass acorn "squirrel bait" was a good one..
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Reply To This Topic #628 Posted Dec 29, 2008, 08:45:31 pm |
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Bottom line here is musclecar sold it right? Looks like he made almost 50 bucks for a worthless item. Not bad. I bow to your ebay skills musclecar.
true If we "treasurenet" had a BEST what is it find for 2008 this would def. win 1st Just for the hell of it and for S***S and giggles I think it ought to get BANNER  I think "Piggnuts" would be numero uno and the brass acorn "squirrel bait" was a good one.. True "Piggnuts" was a good one There we go lets start a new thread on the best what is its of 2008
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Reply To This Topic #629 Posted Jan 05, 2009, 01:07:26 pm |
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Well the mystery item made it to 2009!!!  Dang you Whatsit!!!!
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Reply To This Topic #630 Posted Jan 06, 2009, 08:33:14 am |
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I'm afraid whoever bought it wont know what it is and re-post it here to find out.
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Reply To This Topic #631 Posted Jan 06, 2009, 08:46:03 am |
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Reply To This Topic #632 Posted Jan 06, 2009, 09:11:38 am |
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lol i hope not!!!
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Reply To This Topic #633 Posted Jan 06, 2009, 09:55:13 am |
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I'm not sure that it counts 15 turns. When a clock turns 12 times the 13th turn starts it back at 1. I think it counts 16 not 15. The little tab that stops the dial from turning is probably bent and was used to hold other parts of the counter together. It counts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 then 15. When it passes 15 the 16th count, it starts back at 1. 16 would make much more sense as it is used in a lot of measurements. 16 ozs. in pint, 16" is a common construction increment for joists, studs, rafters etc. Just a thought!!! Steve A
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Reply To This Topic #634 Posted Jan 06, 2009, 03:48:23 pm |
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Why is this topic checkmarked as "solved" when our little mystery object hasn't been identified yet? Sorry, until it's verified, it's not "solved".... 
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Reply To This Topic #635 Posted Jan 06, 2009, 04:08:09 pm |
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I'm not sure that it counts 15 turns. When a clock turns 12 times the 13th turn starts it back at 1. I think it counts 16 not 15. The little tab that stops the dial from turning is probably bent and was used to hold other parts of the counter together. It counts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 then 15. When it passes 15 the 16th count, it starts back at 1. 16 would make much more sense as it is used in a lot of measurements. 16 ozs. in pint, 16" is a common construction increment for joists, studs, rafters etc. Just a thought!!! Steve A
A clock counts 12hours, not 13. Im not sure I understand your reasoning. 
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Reply To This Topic #636 Posted Jan 07, 2009, 08:42:47 am |
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Happy New Year everyone.........  Umm...dang this thing! 
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Reply To This Topic #637 Posted Jan 08, 2009, 01:13:56 pm |
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I was watching some old TV commercials on YouTube and saw something that looked similar. Watch the third or fourth commercial, its an old Secret Squadron TV show commercial sponsored by Ovaltine. He talks about a message decoder, I thought it looked like this thing.
http://www.youtube.com/v/PFbCGT_AWBI
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Reply To This Topic #638 Posted Jan 08, 2009, 03:13:38 pm |
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Its BaaaaaAck! Really it never left. Ok Just to let everyone know. I admit it! I'm the one who bought it. Yep Paid $48.00 for it. Why you ask? Well I thought If I could just hold it in my hands and get up close and personal with it I could easily figure out exactly just what in the world it really is. Wrong! I still cant figure it out  But I ain't giving up! As for the money. Heck I have had way more than my moneys worth of fun with it! Just carrying it around with me showing it to people, telling them the story behind it. Then listening to their ideas of what they think it could be is just priceless! As for re posting there is no need because it is already posted. It just has a different owner now that's the only thing that has changed. I am having a ball with it as a conversation piece. But honestly have had some sleepless nights trying to figure out just what it could be. I still have plenty of avenues left for id'ing it and will be exploring them as time permits. Until then I appreciate all of your help with this and would love for this mystery to be solved. Sincerely, GG~
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Reply To This Topic #639 Posted Jan 08, 2009, 03:45:16 pm |
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I was watching some old TV commercials on YouTube and saw something that looked similar. Watch the third or fourth commercial, its an old Secret Squadron TV show commercial sponsored by Ovaltine. He talks about a message decoder, I thought it looked like this thing.
http://www.youtube.com/v/PFbCGT_AWBIOkay I am apologizing first hand..................  ahhhhhh
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Reply To This Topic #640 Posted Jan 08, 2009, 03:57:59 pm |
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Its BaaaaaAck! Really it never left.
Ok Just to let everyone know. I admit it! I'm the one who bought it. Yep Paid $47.00 for it.
So you are the lucky winner. How many people were bidding on it? Maybe you could resell it for a profit. 
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Reply To This Topic #641 Posted Jan 08, 2009, 05:24:45 pm |
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Its BaaaaaAck! Really it never left.
Ok Just to let everyone know. I admit it! I'm the one who bought it. Yep Paid $47.00 for it.
So you are the lucky winner. How many people were bidding on it? Maybe you could resell it for a profit.  Hope your not superstitious BCH,your last response was number 666 
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Reply To This Topic #642 Posted Jan 08, 2009, 06:32:36 pm |
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So you are the lucky winner. How many people were bidding on it? Maybe you could resell it for a profit.  Just for the record: there were 28 bids among 8 bidders with mine being the highest. As for resale. I just want to solve the mystery. However, if my efforts are unsuccessful and I have exhausted all possibilities. Then I will reluctantly pass the object on to the next seeker. GG~
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Reply To This Topic #643 Posted Jan 08, 2009, 06:44:23 pm |
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Hope your not superstitious BCH,your last response was number 666  Nope Im lucky. Someone may have removed a post because now you are #666 Jerry. 
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Reply To This Topic #644 Posted Jan 08, 2009, 06:46:45 pm |
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Its BaaaaaAck! Really it never left. Ok Just to let everyone know. I admit it! I'm the one who bought it. Yep Paid $47.00 for it. Why you ask? Well I thought If I could just hold it in my hands and get up close and personal with it I could easily figure out exactly just what in the world it really is. Wrong! I still cant figure it out  But I ain't giving up! As for the money. Heck I have had way more than my moneys worth of fun with it! Just carrying it around with me showing it to people, telling them the story behind it. Then listening to their ideas of what they think it could be is just priceless! As for re posting there is no need because it is already posted. It just has a different owner now that's the only thing that has changed. I am having a ball with it as a conversation piece. But honestly have had some sleepless nights trying to figure out just what it could be. I still have plenty of avenues left for id'ing it and will be exploring them as time permits. Until then I appreciate all of your help with this and would love for this mystery to be solved. Sincerely, Buddy Clark~ Well I knew it was someone on here!  OK Goody Guy it's up to you now to save us from this thing!  Please show it to some older guy who has worked on refrigerators all his life! Because I still think it's a temperature adjustment wheel for an old refrigerator/freezer. It would have just opened a blend door or something nothing electrical. It has a stop on it so it can't "unwind" very far. (to 15 & that's it) And it has no return spring so it can't reset it self back to zero automatically after reaching 15. So it's not a counter! The teeth & wheel are way too thin to be used as a drive sprocket of any kind & show no wear of being used that way. Unless the other gears is made of a softer material like plastic as in onamission's pictures. (See Pic below) Maybe that's how this thing moved the door, it "drove" another softer gear attached to the blend door/flap some how? With a rod maybe? But the spaces in the wheel do seem to fit the tip of your finger. It also seems to be a light weight item not designed for a heavy job & heavy use. You don't adjust your freezer much if ever & I'm sure they didn't in the old days eather.
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Reply To This Topic #645 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 10:24:34 am |
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Its BaaaaaAck! Really it never left. Ok Just to let everyone know. I admit it! I'm the one who bought it. Yep Paid $47.00 for it. Why you ask? Well I thought If I could just hold it in my hands and get up close and personal with it I could easily figure out exactly just what in the world it really is. Wrong! I still cant figure it out  But I ain't giving up! As for the money. Heck I have had way more than my moneys worth of fun with it! Just carrying it around with me showing it to people, telling them the story behind it. Then listening to their ideas of what they think it could be is just priceless! As for re posting there is no need because it is already posted. It just has a different owner now that's the only thing that has changed. I am having a ball with it as a conversation piece. But honestly have had some sleepless nights trying to figure out just what it could be. I still have plenty of avenues left for id'ing it and will be exploring them as time permits. Until then I appreciate all of your help with this and would love for this mystery to be solved. Sincerely, Buddy Clark~ Well I knew it was someone on here!  OK Goody Guy it's up to you now to save us from this thing!  Please show it to some older guy who has worked on refrigerators all his life! Because I still think it's a temperature adjustment wheel for an old refrigerator/freezer. It would have just opened a blend door or something nothing electrical. It has a stop on it so it can't "unwind" very far. (to 15 & that's it) And it has no return spring so it can't reset it self back to zero automatically after reaching 15. So it's not a counter! The teeth & wheel are way too thin to be used as a drive sprocket of any kind & show no wear of being used that way. Unless the other gears is made of a softer material like plastic as in onamission's pictures. (See Pic below) Maybe that's how this thing moved the door, it "drove" another softer gear attached to the blend door/flap some how? With a rod maybe? But the spaces in the wheel do seem to fit the tip of your finger. It also seems to be a light weight item not designed for a heavy job & heavy use. You don't adjust your freezer much if ever & I'm sure they didn't in the old days eather. Very good detail....as a kid i remember looking at those on the old freezer...cant remember though if it was exactly that...I still wonder how it would attach itself to the electrical part of its function...being aluminum. Awesome demo!
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Reply To This Topic #646 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 11:15:35 am |
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bigcypresshunter - I shouldn't have used the clock as a comparison. A clock reads it doesn't count. If you count the notches up to 15 after it turns back to 1 to start the cycle over there is a small tab that would advance another wheel. So it is counting 16 as the incremental number. The secondary dial would count the total number. If it were counting 15 the notch would advance the secondary wheel after passing the 14th.  Steve A
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Reply To This Topic #647 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 12:14:43 pm |
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Very good detail....as a kid i remember looking at those on the old freezer...cant remember though if it was exactly that...I still wonder how it would attach itself to the electrical part of its function...being aluminum.
Awesome demo!
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Reply To This Topic #648 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 01:55:08 pm |
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bigcypresshunter - I shouldn't have used the clock as a comparison. A clock reads it doesn't count. If you count the notches up to 15 after it turns back to 1 to start the cycle over there is a small tab that would advance another wheel. So it is counting 16 as the incremental number. The secondary dial would count the total number. If it were counting 15 the notch would advance the secondary wheel after passing the 14th.  Steve A Ah Ok. Your assuming there is a secondary wheel. We were thinking of a counter on a camera that on a roll of 12 exposures would never go over 15 and would be hand wound back to zero.
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Reply To This Topic #649 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 01:57:59 pm |
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Very good detail....as a kid i remember looking at those on the old freezer...cant remember though if it was exactly that...I still wonder how it would attach itself to the electrical part of its function...being aluminum.
Awesome demo!
Keep in mind a Freezer control that just operates a blend door/flap is not electrical. It just opens Or close's a small flap. Check yours & you will see what I mean.  I had thought of a refrigerator/freezer control that is not electrical and operates a door flap but cant remember now why I eliminated it lol. I will have to back search. Most of those type of controls are ABC or 1 to 10. I also dont think the control made a complete circle. Its been a while since I worked on fridges and I cant remember. Why dont everybody check their vent controls at home and post.
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Reply To This Topic #650 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 05:37:18 pm |
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Round in circles we go...
...but we didn't stop at 14/15!
Just think about the film counter for a while. The holes would need to be the same distance (or multiples) apart as the fingers on the wheel. This is ok with small format film, but the camera then wouldn't have a 3" wheel in it. To advance a number on the wheel, the film frame would have to be about the same width as the finger spacing. Either that or have the holes further apart and let the wheel just grind away at the film until it finds and drops into the next hole. (see pic)
As for fridge, well there's no connection point or shaft. If it opens a flap, then so be it, but wouldn't that be a ramp rather than a tab to allow graduation between 1 & 15 rather than nothing (x13) then open??
So someone suggests this wheel drives another? why not use the second as the indicator. Ah but the pedometer shows a second wheel. But that's a pedometer and it's used for gearing, and it rotates continuously not stopping.
The problem we have here is that a lot are offering suggestions such as "it looks a bit like this" Well it's a circular disc with numbers on, couldn't it be a roulette wheel?
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Reply To This Topic #651 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 06:25:47 pm |
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To me, it looks like a dispenser. I picture it lying flat and doling out jelly beans or nut, etc., from a coin op machine,hence the cut away. It wouldn't be the 1st time a coin maching was busted up for it's booty. My humble opinion-Mark
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Reply To This Topic #652 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:00:18 pm |
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Goodyguy, since your the new owner and the torch has been passed on to you, it will be your responsibility to answer questions.  Just curious, does the wheel spin? How easily does it turn?
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Reply To This Topic #653 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:06:32 pm |
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After having it in my possession I am comfortable in ruling out "camera part" which was my original guess over a year ago. Unless it was a part to a play camera and had no function other than to pretend. When a number is centered in front of the pointer, then a point of the sprocket is centered straight across from the number. I believe that the wheel was designed to be advanced by using a finger to move the wheel. The distance between the points is 9/16" Way too small for a frame of film. The numbered wheel is held on by a single rivet in the center as stated earlier there is no post for the wheel only the rivet. I am fairly sure the wheel was meant to be advanced by hand until the stop prevents it from going past 14. The stop prevents the small number 15 from lining up with the pointer. Then the wheel must be rotated in reverse by hand until it hits the stop. when that happens the pointer now lines up with the small number 15 then one move starts it back at 1 again.  Also the little raised tab stop does not look like anything has ever been attached to it. It's only function being a stop. GG~ BCH you posted while I was writing this. The wheel moves freely with nothing to hold the wheel on a number. Which leads me to believe that the wheel must have been meant to be placed horizontally.
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Reply To This Topic #654 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:10:38 pm |
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Just think about the film counter for a while. The holes would need to be the same distance (or multiples) apart as the fingers on the wheel. This is ok with small format film, but the camera then wouldn't have a 3" wheel in it. To advance a number on the wheel, the film frame would have to be about the same width as the finger spacing. Either that or have the holes further apart and let the wheel just grind away at the film until it finds and drops into the next hole.
Ingroller ruined a roll of 120 film to show us that it has no sprocket holes. Post #580. I am not sure how this type film is advanced but the posted old camera patent had a numbered sprocket. Does anybody know why some of the old 120 cameras had a sprocket wheel even though the film had no holes? You can see in this diagram that the sprocket does not penetrate this film.
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Reply To This Topic #655 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:14:05 pm |
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This has driven me insane forever. I have decided (in my own mind, of course), that it is either a glucose meter counter (15/30, since it has space for 2 counts) or a birth control pill dispenser part! There, now I will be able to sleep at night  B
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Reply To This Topic #656 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:21:46 pm |
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After having it in my possession I am comfortable in ruling out "camera part" which was my original guess over a year ago. Unless it was a part to a play camera and had no function other than to pretend. When a number is centered in front of the pointer then a point of the sprocket is centered straight across from the number. I believe that the wheel was designed to be advanced by using a finger to move the wheel. The distance between the points is 9/16" Way too small for a frame of film. The numbered wheel is held on by a single rivet in the center as stated earlier there is no post for the wheel only the rivet. I am fairly sure the wheel was meant to be advanced by hand until the stop prevents it from going past 14. The stop prevents the small number 15 from lining up with the pointer. Then the wheel must be rotated in reverse by hand until it hits the stop. when that happens the pointer now lines up with the small number 15 then one move starts it back at 1 again.  Also the little raised tab stop does not look like anything has ever been attached to it. It's only function being a stop. Buddy~ BCH you posted while I was writing this. The wheel moves freely with nothing to hold the wheel on a number. Which leads me to believe that the wheel must have been meant to be placed horizontally. I just realized that the purpose of the sprockets (on this patent) are designed so that they stick out of the camera case to be turned by a finger here. (I think) ...and the number shows in the window (6).
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Reply To This Topic #657 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:26:06 pm |
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I believe that the wheel was designed to be advanced by using a finger to move the wheel. I am fairly sure the wheel was meant to be advanced by hand until the stop prevents it from going past 14. The stop prevents the small number 15 from lining up with the pointer. Then the wheel must be rotated in reverse by hand until it hits the stop
At least my guess has this part right so far! 
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Reply To This Topic #658 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:27:32 pm |
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To be honest I am leaning to agreeing with an earlier post that it must be some kind of dosage/daily counter meant to be attached to a wire cage.
But the jury is still out.
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Reply To This Topic #659 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:28:33 pm |
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...The wheel moves freely with nothing to hold the wheel on a number. Which leads me to believe that the wheel must have been meant to be placed horizontally.
Good clue. ...unless it is connected to another gear that holds it in place. 
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Reply To This Topic #660 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:31:09 pm |
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To be honest I am leaning to agreeing with an earlier post that it must be some kind of dosage/daily counter meant to be attached to a wire cage. Buddy~
What would hold the wheel on the number?
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Reply To This Topic #661 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:41:46 pm |
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I believe that the wheel was designed to be advanced by using a finger to move the wheel. I am fairly sure the wheel was meant to be advanced by hand until the stop prevents it from going past 14. The stop prevents the small number 15 from lining up with the pointer. Then the wheel must be rotated in reverse by hand until it hits the stop
At least my guess has this part right so far!  The only problem with that idea is the pointer would be in the way. It covers the sprocket points in front of the numbers preventing the teeth from coming into contact with anything. Unlike the wheel in your illustration. Believe me thats what I wanted it to be too because it was my first guess. But there is no way. sorry 
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Reply To This Topic #662 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 07:48:19 pm |
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To be honest I am leaning to agreeing with an earlier post that it must be some kind of dosage/daily counter meant to be attached to a wire cage. Buddy~
What would hold the wheel on the number? Good question  Maybe when it was new the rivet was tighter providing more friction to hold the wheel in place.
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Reply To This Topic #663 Posted Jan 09, 2009, 08:28:04 pm |
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Reply To This Topic #664 Posted Jan 10, 2009, 01:00:35 am |
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Here are my thoughts (fwiw) - It isn't clear if it complete or not, but clips on the rear suggest it is mounted to something rather than used alone
The overall build quality appears low, stamped and press ally with pop rivet shaft. There isn't any shaft or other connection, so it doesn't appear to drive or control anything thus hinting at a counter It only goes from 1 (not 0) to 14 (not 15) and does not rotate past the stop at 14 The 'teeth' are pressed to give them some rigidity and look like finger controlled rather than driven mechanically There is evidence of wear on the backplate commensurate with lengthy use although there doesn't appear to be wear on the teeth themselves.
I suspect this is agricultural and that Internet coverage isn't reaching those who may be able to identify it. Someone suggested getting it on US TV, Is this feasible?? It may even increase it's value!
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Reply To This Topic #665 Posted Jan 10, 2009, 01:40:15 am |
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Oh my gosh!!!!....I just spent several hours reading ALL these posts....decided to look it up for myself on the internet....googled: cage counter cycle 15 alaska ...this is what I found: http://www.boingboing.net/2008/11/06/metal-detectorists-m.htmlsorry....LOL 
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Reply To This Topic #666 Posted Jan 10, 2009, 06:38:10 am |
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And I thought we had some wild guesses on here.... 
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Reply To This Topic #667 Posted Jan 10, 2009, 11:28:54 am |
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And I thought we had some wild guesses on here....   One thing for sure those people at Boing Boing sure have us beat in the comedy department!  Although I did read some very well thought out and insightful comments. I notice this thing now has over 50,000 views!
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Reply To This Topic #668 Posted Jan 10, 2009, 12:15:08 pm |
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I notice this thing now has over 50,000 views!
You could charge for advertising. Clients could put their logo on the wheel. 
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Reply To This Topic #669 Posted Jan 17, 2009, 03:28:37 pm |
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Reply To This Topic #670 Posted Jan 17, 2009, 04:37:04 pm |
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Here are my thoughts (fwiw) - It isn't clear if it complete or not, but clips on the rear suggest it is mounted to something rather than used alone
The overall build quality appears low, stamped and press ally with pop rivet shaft. There isn't any shaft or other connection, so it doesn't appear to drive or control anything thus hinting at a counter It only goes from 1 (not 0) to 14 (not 15) and does not rotate past the stop at 14 The 'teeth' are pressed to give them some rigidity and look like finger controlled rather than driven mechanically There is evidence of wear on the backplate commensurate with lengthy use although there doesn't appear to be wear on the teeth themselves.
I suspect this is agricultural and that Internet coverage isn't reaching those who may be able to identify it. Someone suggested getting it on US TV, Is this feasible?? It may even increase it's value! Could it have been Spring loaded?
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Reply To This Topic #671 Posted Jan 17, 2009, 05:15:30 pm |
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Goody if you or Michelle or anybody else has time you may want to email these people with a pic. http://www.antiquevintageappliances.com/
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Reply To This Topic #672 Posted Jan 17, 2009, 06:29:16 pm |
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Ok, to bring everyone up to date. I have been carrying "it" around with me in a box and have shown "it" to almost everyone I meet. I'm having a ball hearing peoples guesses. I have also taken "it" to: Hardware stores Agricultural stores (Feeders Supply) Camera Shops Pet shops Heating and air conditioning shops and am in the process of sending photos to various "ask the expert" forums including "ask Mark Parker" of Western & Eastern Treasures. So far no one knows for sure what "it" could be but almost everyone has a guess. Some are quite insightful others are completely off the wall. Sometimes I have trouble keeping a straight face while they are telling me what they think "it" could be.  At this point I am running out of ideas and would like suggestions of what expert may be able to id "it" positively and with solid proof. Does anyone know how to or who to contact at "Antiques Road Show"? GG~
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Reply To This Topic #673 Posted Jan 17, 2009, 08:28:19 pm |
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How about sending pictures to some of the following:
1. Antiques Roadshow 2. Smithsonian 3. History Detectives Show
...and other shows or museum groups ?
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Reply To This Topic #674 Posted Jan 18, 2009, 07:12:58 am |
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I believe the diagram that "rtde3" made of this thing is closest to the answer....Suppose it isnt a part that is RECOGNIZEABLE....because it is UNSEEN....
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Reply To This Topic #675 Posted Jan 18, 2009, 02:48:12 pm |
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The object in question appears to be a thermostat selector for a refrigerator.( I know; in Alaska?) Just a thought! The older models had an infinite number of temperature selections when compared to newer models.
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Reply To This Topic #676 Posted Jan 18, 2009, 03:13:48 pm |
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The object in question appears to be a thermostat selector for a refrigerator.( I know; in Alaska?) Just a thought! The older models had an infinite number of temperature selections when compared to newer models.
Maybe we need to search propane refrigerators. Nobody has been able to come up with a way it could attach to a control, unless it connects to another gear.
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Reply To This Topic #677 Posted Jan 18, 2009, 05:19:35 pm |
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You could send a pic to the Alaska chamber of Commerce...........NGE
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Reply To This Topic #678 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 02:26:34 am |
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Due to the Fact this Item is no longer in the Possession of the Finder.
And appears to have been solved over & Over.
It has been moved here for those who still want to play around.
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Reply To This Topic #679 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 05:43:45 am |
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Nice E-Bay find Goodyguy. Good Luck finding out what it is........  ......NGE
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Reply To This Topic #680 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 06:40:56 am |
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And appears to have been solved over & Over.
Someone marked it as solved but it never has been.
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Reply To This Topic #681 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 06:53:58 am |
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Very true Big Cy, maybe they thought because it was sold to a mystery buyer on E-Bay, that it would never raer its ugly head again on this site.....  ......NGE
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Reply To This Topic #682 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 07:19:43 am |
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I don't know how to take your reply, but not knockin' ya. Just saying that it drove everyone here nutsy coo coo. We thought it was gone forever, and now "It's Baaaaack......Have fun with it. If'n ya really like mysteries, go check out "piggnutz".....NGE
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Reply To This Topic #683 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 07:26:59 am |
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Due to the Fact this Item is no longer in the Possession of the Finder.
And appears to have been solved over & Over.
It has been moved here for those who still want to play around.
Jeff of pa, Since it has been solved over & over would you please please tell me what it is so I can quit wasting my time "playing around"
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Reply To This Topic #684 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 08:23:08 am |
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Due to the Fact this Item is no longer in the Possession of the Finder.
And appears to have been solved over & Over.
It has been moved here for those who still want to play around.
Jeff of pa, Since it has been solved over & over would you please please tell me what it is so I can quit wasting my time "playing around" ME TOOOOOOOO....OOPS ME 50,679
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Reply To This Topic #685 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 01:54:42 pm |
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rabbit breeders -- cycle counter (*clips onto cage)-- once male and female mate if she's not if not knocked up ==rebreed in 15 days.
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Reply To This Topic #686 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 03:22:58 pm |
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rabbit breeders -- cycle counter (*clips onto cage)-- once male and female mate if she's not if not knocked up ==rebreed in 15 days.
Thank you so much. This thing has been driving me nuts. Could you please post where you found the proof? Just so I can verify your answer. I had an idea that it was for something like that. Because it looks like it would fit onto a cage with 2 inch wire spacing. Although all the rabbit cages that I grew up with were made with chicken wire and it definitely would not fit on chicken wire because I already tried. Sincerely, Buddy~
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Reply To This Topic #687 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 03:30:37 pm |
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rabbit breeders -- cycle counter (*clips onto cage)-- once male and female mate if she's not if not knocked up ==rebreed in 15 days.
Thank you so much. This thing has been driving me nuts. Could you please post where you found the proof? Just so I can verify your answer. I had an idea that it was for something like that. Because it looks like it would fit onto a cage with 2 inch wire spacing. Although all the rabbit cages that I grew up with were made with chicken wire and it definitely would not fit on chicken wire because I already tried. Sincerely, Buddy~ Ivans just guessing.
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Reply To This Topic #688 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 03:42:18 pm |
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Since this is in Games and Contests, I want to know what the prize is. 
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Reply To This Topic #689 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 05:16:51 pm |
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Since this is in Games and Contests, I want to know what the prize is.  Well no fair.........someone said it was solved over and Over,...........SOME OF US MISSED THE ANSWER....,that means SOME OF US ALREADY KNOW/SAW WHAT IT IS/WAS.... 
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Reply To This Topic #690 Posted Jan 19, 2009, 10:42:39 pm |
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please look at rabbit (doe) breeding gestion times === once bred by day 14 she should show signs of being preg -- by day 16 --she should start packing up nesting box material -- its a 15 day counter from mounting on a heavy duty type 2 inch type heavy duty wire spaced cage --- if showing no signs of being preg by day 15 / 16 --- you rebreed her.
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Reply To This Topic #691 Posted Feb 15, 2009, 11:17:54 am |
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It's a manual fish counter for andromanous species. College fellas sit on remote streambanks and click away in the summer runs. jmo 
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Reply To This Topic #692 Posted Feb 16, 2009, 05:21:35 am |
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It's a manual fish counter for andromanous species. College fellas sit on remote streambanks and click away in the summer runs. jmo  And what do you do if you see over 14 fish? 
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Reply To This Topic #693 Posted Feb 17, 2009, 06:39:03 am |
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Due to This now Being Back in the Possession of a Member. & I can't find the post that I Swore I Saw a Schematic in as a Temperature Adjuster for a freezer  & Must be loosing my Mind  I Have moved it back to What Is It  Good Luck  Jeff
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Posts: 3728
Northwest Missouri
Detector used Detector(s) Used - ACE 250
___________ Silver Ring Found & Returned___________
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Reply To This Topic #695 Posted Feb 17, 2009, 08:29:22 am |
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If anyone has an old viewmaster take it apart and see if one of these things is in there.
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Posts: 20409
South Florida
Detector used Detector(s) Used - 70's Whites TM Amphibian, DetectorPro Pulse, Ace 250
Primary Interest: All Types Of Treasure Hunting
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Reply To This Topic #696 Posted Feb 17, 2009, 01:11:00 pm |
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Its baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!
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I can dig it! "WP"
Posts: 2814
Detector used Detector(s) Used - Bounty Hunter tracker IV, Whites TM 808, Whites GMT
Primary Interest: All Types Of Treasure Hunting
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Reply To This Topic #697 Posted Feb 17, 2009, 03:12:48 pm |
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If anyone has an old viewmaster take it apart and see if one of these things is in there.
Been there done that. Actually the numbers are located on the viewing discs not on the mechanism itself. Good thought though. 
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~Diggin The Adventure~
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Reply To This Topic #698 Posted Feb 17, 2009, 04:16:52 pm |
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Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water.........
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Posts: 552
east tennessee
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Reply To This Topic #699 Posted Feb 17, 2009, 10:21:31 pm |
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it's the part to an old erector set nobody found any use for?  thoguh, not based on any truth! the type of metal makes it look so familiar. mike
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