What are the current theories?

I need to talk to my friend to get the long version and some facts that may help.

Ahh !!!
Not! Quite So simple!
If you look at the photo of "Doc's" death
You'll see that he is slumped across the front bumper of his PU
Going toward the drive's side
&
Past the open passenger side window
"Doc" used to keep his revolver in that glovebox!
So!
If he were going to get his gun, why did he walk past the glove box ?   

Slumped? I dont see anyone slumped, infact the curvature of his back is very like that of someone holding their posture.
The picture is easy to recreate for yourself, simply adopt the position that Noss is in at the edge of your bed.
Then once you have got the same postion as he has in the photo simply relax every muscle in your body as if you had been shot in the head.
Observe what happens to the curvature of your spine when you do this.

Thats better a missing lamp where he " slumped"  down the PU, a bit of blood from his shot in the head, and the posture looks so much better

Tag post please ignore

so what do ya reckon Oro? noss looks far more dead in my mock up dont you think?

I have to agree amigo, kind of gives you some idea of that day.

Oroblanco

I actually wrote the editor of Lost Treasure magazine about this awhile back. I read this story several years ago. Believed it then and now. Anyway the Lost Treasure magazine ran a story about the Benavides treasure. Supposedly there are several vaults in New Mexico. Benavides was a bishop If I remember right. The Spaniards used the Apaches as slaves for mining. Of coarse after converting them. I personally believe the Doc Ness location was 1 out of many of these vaults. But Lost Treasure didn't seem to think so.

Short and sweet
1.  Former North Range Commander WSMR
2.  Victorio Peak was in my area
3.  Gold and Jewels seen by Roscoe Parr--he helped Noss in the early days of find. (Nephew of Parr Personal friend)
4.  Military removed large section of Peak with earthmoving machines (1950's to 1960's ?) 
5.  All contents removed
6.  Military Personnel involved retired and disappeared
7.  Personal search of all caves both east and west of peak nothing found except old Wells Fargo Strong Box
8.  Very possible cache's by Noss remain in surrounding area--did not have modern equipment to detect.
9.  East central impact range very near and highly dangerous area--unexploded ordinance
10.GPR would be best to use in surrounding area if could gain access
11.Good luck to anyone who can get on the Range to look

While doing some research on gold currency use in the US, I came across an interesting website discussing the sale of gold bars to England in 1967 & 1968 orchestrated by President Lyndon Johnson.  Maybe the VP gold was used for the sale. Just a thought.

Copyright © 1999 by Freemarket Gold & Money Report. All Rights Reserved.

First published on December 13, 1999 in FGMR Letter #256
In the 1970's a very courageous gentleman named Edward Durrell claimed that substantially all of the US Gold Reserve being stored at Ft. Knox was gone. Only 1,000 tonnes or so of the 8,500 tonnes supposedly being stored there remained. The rest had been secretly taken from Ft. Knox and shipped to London in 1967 and early 1968 for sale by President Johnson in an ill-fated attempt to keep the price of Gold at $35 per ounce.

Mr. Durrell provided a lot of anecdotal evidence to support his claim. These included eyewitness accounts of hundreds of Army trucks leaving Ft. Knox in the middle of the night over a period of many weeks, supposedly loaded with the Gold bounty. Other interesting but circumstantial evidence was the sudden and unexpected dismissal of Gordon Tether, business editor for London's Financial Times, who published Mr. Durrell's claims. To my knowledge, no mainstream US newspaper dared to publish Mr. Durrell's allegations.

More circumstantial evidence emerged in the late 1970's when the US Treasury auctioned some Gold in an attempt to keep the Gold price from rising rapidly. The bullion banks bidding in the auction received 'coin-melt' bars, not good delivery bars. The coin-melt bars were fabricated in the 1930's after the Gold confiscation at that time. Coins are only 90% pure Gold, with 10% other metals added to provide durability to the Gold so that it can be used as coin without excessive wear or damage. In contrast, good delivery bars are 99% pure.

Mr. Durrell alleged that the coin-melt bars were not taken to London because their source could easily have been identified, the US being the only country that seized their citizens' Gold. Had the coin-melt bars been sold, the secret nature of the operation would have been compromised, so the coin-melt bars remained at Ft. Knox while the good delivery bars were sold in London in President Johnson's diabolical, unsuccessful scheme. Subsequent administrations, too afraid of the consequences from telling the truth, have continued the cover-up.

Clearly, the above examples are not sufficient to prove Mr. Durrell's claim, but one piece of evidence does raise serious questions. He claimed that a proper audit of the Gold reserve had not been made since the late 1950's during the Eisenhower administration. Moreover, despite his best efforts to get an audit completed, including as I recall offers to pay for the audit himself (which were not hollow promises because he was a very wealthy businessman), no audit was undertaken. The reason? The US Treasury said it was unnecessary 'because everyone knew that the Gold was still in Ft. Knox'.

The Treasury's curious response always seemed incredulous to me, so I have remained open-minded about whether the Gold was there or not. After all, we now know that President Johnson had lied to the nation about the Gulf of Tonkin incident that dragged the US into war in Viet Nam, so who is to say that he didn't also lie about the Gold in Ft. Knox?

Mr. Durrell passed away at age 90 in the early 1980's. With his passing, and the decline in inflation and the Gold price from the 1980 highs, over time this controversy was largely forgotten. I too put it largely out of mind until the early 1990's when I came to know a very wealthy industrialist with an interesting story.

I wrote about this gentlemen and his story in April 1994 (FGMR #143, Thinking the Unthinkable). He had requested anonymity, so I only refer to him as André, which is not his real name. André provided some additional interesting details, many of which filled in some unexplained gaps in Mr. Durrell's allegations.

Earlier in the year I reprinted this article because it was becoming clear to me that Mr. Durrell's and André's contention that the US Gold reserve was missing helped explain what was happening in the Gold market. As the huge weight of Gold being loaned and borrowed grew seemingly without end, it appeared to me that the Gold supposedly in Ft. Knox must be part of the equation. So I asked myself what could I do about it?

Satori

OK as I stated a couple in an above post (read above post) I was having lunch with a friend (hes in his 50's) and he dropped a bomb on me out of nowhere regarding the Victorio peak legend and how his grandfather was one of Doc's original partners.  Here is what he just send me.  By the way, his Grandfathers name was Harry Darr.

"Man that’s one long story Brotha…

 

The very short version goes like this:

Doc Noss discovers the treasure, but doesn’t know how to best get at it.

He enlists the help of my Grandfather (a friend and confidant + he had a small fleet of trucks)

Noss signs over 10% of what’s there to my Grandfather.

They together enlist the help of a mining engineer

In an effort to get at it easily, the engineer blasts the hole shut

They hire locals to help in the digging

Word gets out, and the Military gets wind of it, they move in, kick everyone out, and annex it as part of White Sands Testing Grounds

Shortly after, Doc Noss is shot to death in bar room fight (ruled justifiable homicide)

Mining engineer is killed in auto accident

My Grandfather dies of apparent heart attack  (I think all 3 were dead within 6 months)

 

Followed by 70 years (still on going) of legal battles with government  (involved F Lee Baily, Marvin Michelson and other high power lawyers)

In early 70’s John Dean admits to Congressional Hearing that Victoio Peak Treasure financed the Bay of Pigs, CIA covert activities in So Am and abroad +             others

In maybe early 90’s…  Act of Congress  finally allows the Noss family team to go in and inspect the area…  evidence of massive excavating

Now as aging military guys are nearing the end of their lives, lots have come forward and telling how they worked there and what they did.

 

It’s a long story with lots of twists and turns…but I think I have the general outline right.  There was a movie in the works, but somehow it went away, very quietly at least from my vantage point.

 

Pretty exciting stuff to have in your own family closet eh?  There’s been a ton written on it, but honestly, most of what I know was handed down from my Granny & Mother….  I’m sure there are still a lot of family documents, letters and clipping that they kept.  I think my oldest Brother has them now.  Huge box full."

 

[Dirty(s)]

As you have Read
&
As You can see ......

The Govt's Dirty(s)  Hand is in the misty background in this!       

AGAIN!    

Hey TOK,

Your story is close to what happened. The only big difference would be the death of "Doc" Noss.

Doc and his family supposedly removed about 300 of the gold bars and hid them in different cache sites. After Doc and Ova had gotten thoroughly screwed over by Uncle Sam, Doc enlisted the aid of a man who owned a Lead Mine to assist him in retrieving and selling one of the caches. At the last minute, Doc was afraid the man would screw him over, so he moved the cache the night before. He was correct that the man had planned to screw him over. They got into an argument, and Doc went out to his truck. The man shot and killed Doc "in self defense". There  is a picture floating around of Doc slumped over his front bumper.

There was a guy that used to post here named Roger Snow. His dad was a Treasure Hunter with an intense interest in Victorio Peak. He also died mysteriously, and Roger's 14 year old sister was shot in the head (all around the same time everybody else was dying). Looks like Uncle Sam was trying very heard keep Victorio Peak a secret.

Best-Mike

hey gang,
 Ok if everyone was shot and the govt is watching everyone left...... Then who is out there that knows where the gold is ?? and where is the gold ?? In other words if it's not in Vic pk and there is somewhere around 300 bars left..... where are they ?? To me it seems that is a HUGE load of metal to move, and does the guy with the Lead Mine have some of the answers ?? Just my crazy head needed to ask these questions....

PLL

Hey TOK,

Your story is close to what happened. The only big difference would be the death of "Doc" Noss.

Doc and his family supposedly removed about 300 of the gold bars and hid them in different cache sites. After Doc and Ova had gotten thoroughly screwed over by Uncle Sam, Doc enlisted the aid of a man who owned a Lead Mine to assist him in retrieving and selling one of the caches. At the last minute, Doc was afraid the man would screw him over, so he moved the cache the night before. He was correct that the man had planned to screw him over. They got into an argument, and Doc went out to his truck. The man shot and killed Doc "in self defense". There  is a picture floating around of Doc slumped over his front bumper.

There was a guy that used to post here named Roger Snow. His dad was a Treasure Hunter with an intense interest in Victorio Peak. He also died mysteriously, and Roger's 14 year old sister was shot in the head (all around the same time everybody else was dying). Looks like Uncle Sam was trying very heard keep Victorio Peak a secret.

Best-Mike

WEll Mike
some have a little knowledge of my Dad and myself
problem is

Whenever i attempt to set facts in this forum, the post go missing
That condition pisses my ass off, so i stopped posting in this rag site.


Yes, my Dads murder, my sisters murder
and myown torture by O.S.I. agents of the U.S. Government
is all factual.

Some of the crap people post here is directly qouted out of material such as the book " 100 tons of gold"

Capt. Bill states he wants to find the OFF BASE entrance to Vicky Peak,,, you know what he is talking about?

He is speaking of my dads red herring blorf he fed David Leon Chandler for his book : 100 tons

the entrance is NOT going to lead back into Vicky.

It does NOT take you into Hardscrabble

Hardscrabble is on the east side of the San Andreas, and the arroyo is on the west side, out in the Joranado, and does NOT reach to the east end.

The Arroyo that is a drainage from the San Andres is simply a subterrainean cavity that was created by sub surface erosion.
Dad fed Chandler CRAP!
My Dad was so harrassed by federal agents, he actually thought Chandler to be one undercover seeking info on treasure sites to be later pilfered by a Corrupt federal agency

WHICH IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GOVERNMENT AGENCYS,,, THEN YOU KNOW,,, ALL OF THEM ARE CORRUPT,,, THAT IS WHY THEY ARE INSTITUTED IN THE FIRST DAMNED PLACE!

My Dad's experience with treasure was first league

His Knowledge concise, his footwork extroardanair.

Now
some things to get straight on

1. the poster that asked for info on the cavern in the Organ Mountains that supposedly led Apaches for miles underground.

It goes approximately 1 mile underground, NOT FOR " MILES "
it is an L shaped cave,,,, and it can be found behind a huge boulder set up at the base of a bluff to the LEFT ( southside) of GLOBE spring near the entrance of Glendale Canyon.

THERE IS NOTHING AT ALL IN IT! and it comes out in Johnson canyon, and 30 feet from the exit is a HUGE KILLER BEE HIVE,,, so do not even bother attempting to play with it.

2. All maps of the Organ Mountains are BULL-SHIEETE PERIOD.

if they are hand drawn maps on parchment or paper of DUNG.

The true maps are CARVED in STONE within the range, and unless you are ME, you have very little chance of de-codeing them,,, PERIOD!

3 maps were on the stones
ONE, is a pictoglyph map ( hand painted on a La Rue map rock on the west side near the old mine house spring)
the other two maps on CARVED
One is in the mouth of RUCKER canyon
the other i keep secret, cause Fed agents can kiss my ASS, they have stolen enough out of there.

a 4th map does exist, it was carved on a NUGGET the size of my head
fed agents stole it from ME!

Now, on the truth of Vicky Peak

It was indeed cleaned out
early 1960's

I as a child personally went and spied on the operation, we watched them at NIGHT.
They used DUMP TRUCKS TO REMOVE THE BARS FROM THE BASIN.

a daisy chain of G.I.'s threw the bars into Front end loaders, the tractors dumped the bars into the dump trucks
this was the fastest way to get the bars loaded at the time, and get them out of the area.
The dump trucks and loaders were all civilian looking vehicles.

President JFK DID " NOT " get any of the GOLD!

Pres. Johnson was a MAGGOT amongst the human species, and was indeed involved in not only the cover up of the gold theft
but was privy to JFK's murder. PERIOD, IT IS THE TRUTH!

VICTORIO PEAK WAS A DEPOSITORY FIRST AND FOREMOST OF THE GOLD AND OTHER MINERALS MINED BY HEBREW AND PHOENICIAN MEN UNDER THE DIRECTION OF KINGS SOLOMON AND HIRAM.

Over the following centuries, others deposited loot in there, the Apaches being the predominate contributers, but NOT the only ones.

Victorio Peak, is NOT the seven cities of Cibola which is presented in the La Rue/ Rueshume letter
those are ALL in the Organ Mountains.
and the letter is a code, cibola was used to denote depositories, seven of them.
3 on the west side at the MOUTH of three seperate canyons
FILMORE CANYON BEING JUST ONE OF THEM. THAT CACHE IS LONG GONE TOO.

3 on the east side, two  just inside two canyons, one barely outside another canyon


ALL EL CHATO LOOT FOR THE MOST PART IS IN SOLEDAD CANYON
BOTH ENDS OF THE CANYON. VERY NEAR AFTER YOU ENTER THE CANYON FROM EITHER DIRECTION, SOME HAS ALREADY BEEN LOOTED BY THE ARMY, GARUANTEED, I WENT AND INSPECTED THE SITES MYSELF OVER A 4 YEAR PERIOD FROM 2002 TO 2006.

PRIOR TO THAT, I HAD INSPECTED THE SAME SITES FROM 1982 UNTIL 1991, I KNOW WHAT WAS THERE, WHAT THE SITES LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THE DIGGING BY THE ARMY, AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE NOW, I ALSO KNOW WHY STAILITE PHOTOS ARE AIRBRUSHED TO COVER THE RECENT DIGS OF THESE SITES, SO GET YOUR UNDIES TOGETHER FOLKS, THE BIG " G ' IS A THIEF, THANK YOUR BUDDIES AT THE PENTAGON AND AT THE NEW AGENCY KNOWN AS : THE DIRECTORATE OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY,,, FORMERLY KNOWN AS: THE OFFICE OF SCIENTIFIC INTELLIGENCE,,, OR BY THE ACRONYM OF: O.S.I.,,, THESE ARE THE REAL PEOPLE BEHIND THE KIDNAPP TORURE OF MYSELF AND THE MURDER OF INNOCENT CITIZENS WHO KNEW TOO MUCH.

MY DAD HAD LOCATED SEVERAL OF THEM, BUT, COULD NOT RETRIEVE THEM BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH AND THE AREA IN WHICH THEY ARE BURIED.

IT TAKES A BACKHOE AT THE LEAST TO DIG THEM OUT.

anyone with the knowledge i have of the Organ Mountains, can take the various copies of the supposed El Chato letters, read them, and KNOW for certain that whoever wrote them, knew nothing of the Organ Mountains,,, they are for the most part all fabrications.

ENOUGH info for you people?
good
Now go write your books with it and make yourself some fame and fortune

and this one is for Darrel Friesen
You Canadian freak of nature
next time you pledgerize my material and claim YOU figured stuff out

I will post all across the internet my documents and post you are claiming to be of your manufacture.

Most have already  figured you out to be a fraud.
You could'nt de-code a symbol if it came on a cerial box with a child's de-coder ring included.
YOU DUNCE!
signed : ROGER A. SNOW ,




 





 

Are you really surprised that your posts get deleted 

... ... Are you really surprised that your posts get deleted 

That's why you might copy them if you decide you might want to think about them later.

Hey Roger,

I think I have said this to you before, but the things that get your posts zapped are:

1. Inflammatory statements (namecalling and the like)

2. LENGTH! I know you have a lot to say, but 2000 and 3000 word posts will kill a thread. I recommend just posting brief allusions, and let people ask specific questions about different parts.

Best-Mike

Hey TOK,

Your story is close to what happened. The only big difference would be the death of "Doc" Noss.

Doc and his family supposedly removed about 300 of the gold bars and hid them in different cache sites. After Doc and Ova had gotten thoroughly screwed over by Uncle Sam, Doc enlisted the aid of a man who owned a Lead Mine to assist him in retrieving and selling one of the caches. At the last minute, Doc was afraid the man would screw him over, so he moved the cache the night before. He was correct that the man had planned to screw him over. They got into an argument, and Doc went out to his truck. The man shot and killed Doc "in self defense". There  is a picture floating around of Doc slumped over his front bumper.

There was a guy that used to post here named Roger Snow. His dad was a Treasure Hunter with an intense interest in Victorio Peak. He also died mysteriously, and Roger's 14 year old sister was shot in the head (all around the same time everybody else was dying). Looks like Uncle Sam was trying very heard keep Victorio Peak a secret.

Best-Mike

WEll Mike
some have a little knowledge of my Dad and myself
problem is

Whenever i attempt to set facts in this forum, the post go missing
That condition pisses my ass off, so i stopped posting in this rag site.


Yes, my Dads murder, my sisters murder
and myown torture by O.S.I. agents of the U.S. Government
is all factual.

Some of the crap people post here is directly qouted out of material such as the book " 100 tons of gold"

Capt. Bill states he wants to find the OFF BASE entrance to Vicky Peak,,, you know what he is talking about?

He is speaking of my dads red herring blorf he fed David Leon Chandler for his book : 100 tons

the entrance is NOT going to lead back into Vicky.

It does NOT take you into Hardscrabble

Hardscrabble is on the east side of the San Andreas, and the arroyo is on the west side, out in the Joranado, and does NOT reach to the east end.

The Arroyo that is a drainage from the San Andres is simply a subterrainean cavity that was created by sub surface erosion.
Dad fed Chandler CRAP!
My Dad was so harrassed by federal agents, he actually thought Chandler to be one undercover seeking info on treasure sites to be later pilfered by a Corrupt federal agency

WHICH IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GOVERNMENT AGENCYS,,, THEN YOU KNOW,,, ALL OF THEM ARE CORRUPT,,, THAT IS WHY THEY ARE INSTITUTED IN THE FIRST DAMNED PLACE!

My Dad's experience with treasure was first league

His Knowledge concise, his footwork extroardanair.

Now
some things to get straight on

1. the poster that asked for info on the cavern in the Organ Mountains that supposedly led Apaches for miles underground.

It goes approximately 1 mile underground, NOT FOR " MILES "
it is an L shaped cave,,,, and it can be found behind a huge boulder set up at the base of a bluff to the LEFT ( southside) of GLOBE spring near the entrance of Glendale Canyon.

THERE IS NOTHING AT ALL IN IT! and it comes out in Johnson canyon, and 30 feet from the exit is a HUGE KILLER BEE HIVE,,, so do not even bother attempting to play with it.

2. All maps of the Organ Mountains are BULL-SHIEETE PERIOD.

if they are hand drawn maps on parchment or paper of DUNG.

The true maps are CARVED in STONE within the range, and unless you are ME, you have very little chance of de-codeing them,,, PERIOD!

3 maps were on the stones
ONE, is a pictoglyph map ( hand painted on a La Rue map rock on the west side near the old mine house spring)
the other two maps on CARVED
One is in the mouth of RUCKER canyon
the other i keep secret, cause Fed agents can kiss my ASS, they have stolen enough out of there.

a 4th map does exist, it was carved on a NUGGET the size of my head
fed agents stole it from ME!

Now, on the truth of Vicky Peak

It was indeed cleaned out
early 1960's

I as a child personally went and spied on the operation, we watched them at NIGHT.
They used DUMP TRUCKS TO REMOVE THE BARS FROM THE BASIN.

a daisy chain of G.I.'s threw the bars into Front end loaders, the tractors dumped the bars into the dump trucks
this was the fastest way to get the bars loaded at the time, and get them out of the area.
The dump trucks and loaders were all civilian looking vehicles.

President JFK DID " NOT " get any of the GOLD!

Pres. Johnson was a MAGGOT amongst the human species, and was indeed involved in not only the cover up of the gold theft
but was privy to JFK's murder. PERIOD, IT IS THE TRUTH!

VICTORIO PEAK WAS A DEPOSITORY FIRST AND FOREMOST OF THE GOLD AND OTHER MINERALS MINED BY HEBREW AND PHOENICIAN MEN UNDER THE DIRECTION OF KINGS SOLOMON AND HIRAM.

Over the following centuries, others deposited loot in there, the Apaches being the predominate contributers, but NOT the only ones.

Victorio Peak, is NOT the seven cities of Cibola which is presented in the La Rue/ Rueshume letter
those are ALL in the Organ Mountains.
and the letter is a code, cibola was used to denote depositories, seven of them.
3 on the west side at the MOUTH of three seperate canyons
FILMORE CANYON BEING JUST ONE OF THEM. THAT CACHE IS LONG GONE TOO.

3 on the east side, two  just inside two canyons, one barely outside another canyon


ALL EL CHATO LOOT FOR THE MOST PART IS IN SOLEDAD CANYON
BOTH ENDS OF THE CANYON. VERY NEAR AFTER YOU ENTER THE CANYON FROM EITHER DIRECTION, SOME HAS ALREADY BEEN LOOTED BY THE ARMY, GARUANTEED, I WENT AND INSPECTED THE SITES MYSELF OVER A 4 YEAR PERIOD FROM 2002 TO 2006.

PRIOR TO THAT, I HAD INSPECTED THE SAME SITES FROM 1982 UNTIL 1991, I KNOW WHAT WAS THERE, WHAT THE SITES LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THE DIGGING BY THE ARMY, AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE NOW, I ALSO KNOW WHY STAILITE PHOTOS ARE AIRBRUSHED TO COVER THE RECENT DIGS OF THESE SITES, SO GET YOUR UNDIES TOGETHER FOLKS, THE BIG " G ' IS A THIEF, THANK YOUR BUDDIES AT THE PENTAGON AND AT THE NEW AGENCY KNOWN AS : THE DIRECTORATE OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY,,, FORMERLY KNOWN AS: THE OFFICE OF SCIENTIFIC INTELLIGENCE,,, OR BY THE ACRONYM OF: O.S.I.,,, THESE ARE THE REAL PEOPLE BEHIND THE KIDNAPP TORURE OF MYSELF AND THE MURDER OF INNOCENT CITIZENS WHO KNEW TOO MUCH.

MY DAD HAD LOCATED SEVERAL OF THEM, BUT, COULD NOT RETRIEVE THEM BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH AND THE AREA IN WHICH THEY ARE BURIED.

IT TAKES A BACKHOE AT THE LEAST TO DIG THEM OUT.

anyone with the knowledge i have of the Organ Mountains, can take the various copies of the supposed El Chato letters, read them, and KNOW for certain that whoever wrote them, knew nothing of the Organ Mountains,,, they are for the most part all fabrications.

ENOUGH info for you people?
good
Now go write your books with it and make yourself some fame and fortune

and this one is for Darrel Friesen
You Canadian freak of nature
next time you pledgerize my material and claim YOU figured stuff out

I will post all across the internet my documents and post you are claiming to be of your manufacture.

Most have already  figured you out to be a fraud.
You could'nt de-code a symbol if it came on a cerial box with a child's de-coder ring included.
YOU DUNCE!
signed : ROGER A. SNOW ,




 





 

Are you really surprised that your posts get deleted 

Yeah my post are indeed long
whats the format of a forum
it's purpose exactly?

is it not the exchange of ideas and information
even an argument as defined by Socrates?

To answer your posit, NO! iam not surprize by much any longer.

You may notice i NEVER EVER ask a question
I simply post facts to answer other peoples questions
If answers are not a welcome into the venue
then why ask what the freaking current theories are?

Show a smal modicum of delligence when attempting to question people

First by focalizing on the motive and direct interest of and for the desired answer you may wish to know.

There is a whole world outside your trailor park buddy.

and if my post are long
then quoting them in full,,, just doubles the content of the page

Is it not a wonderful thing to use a mind for more then just collecting info-tainment and gossip
Not to mention
If i used the lower mentality that you level yourself upon, and attempted to conflict in your manner
You would'nt stand a garbage-pail kids chance in south hell against my wit and humor.

As i have stated before, why should i bother to throw pearls before swine?

Swine have not a clue to valuation of pearls
They seek what they can eat, watch, and pro-create with, and to GRUNT loudly when it is ponted out that they are indeed nothing more then swine.

The disturbing attribute of swine, is that they as well can breed. Lucky for humanity, that these off-spring are usually the ones who are used in the decimation process refered to as WAR, they make perfect cannon fodder for such wars.

FACTS, in answer to honest query, should be the predominate desired aquisition

However, when some ask a question in order to berate the answer, then it is a standard of lower intelligence.

Certainly i cannot be expected to accept the blame for --deleted-- people breeding, nor shall i be imposed upon to raise the I.Q of such offspring.

If content and space is a problem for this forum, then shut the forum down and run it as a commercial prospect only.

I myself do not require a metal detector or other products advertized within the pages of this venue.

delete post as your mind feels required to do so.

For myself, i have better conflicts to adjust.
Rog'



 

Whom do I call educated? First, those who manage well the circumstances they encounter day by day. Next, those who are decent and honorable in their intercourse with all men, bearing easily and good naturedly what is offensive in others and being as agreeable and reasonable to their associates as is humanly possible to be... those who hold their pleasures always under control and are not ultimately overcome by their misfortunes... those who are not spoiled by their successes, who do not desert their true selves but hold their ground steadfastly as wise and sober -- minded men.

Socrates

hey gang,
 Well, for me it's the people who can't seem to find the spell check... and I'm guilty of that as well. But I do try to proofread what I write.. I just that some NEED it more than others.LOL

PLL

Treasure minder, the things I was refering to were these quotes:


"Whenever i attempt to set facts in this forum, the post go missing
That condition pisses my ass off, so i stopped posting in this rag site."

"and this one is for Darrel Friesen
You Canadian freak of nature
next time you pledgerize my material and claim YOU figured stuff out"

"Most have already  figured you out to be a fraud.
You could'nt de-code a symbol if it came on a cerial box with a child's de-coder ring included.
YOU DUNCE!"


The swearing, racism and name calling are not needed.

Good Morning Peerless:  I tend to agree, when one is too defensive  it just might be because they are on too shaky a ground, or lack simple self confidence for one reason or another.  Personally, I welcome  criticism on
my posts and projects.    Many times they have pointed out thingies that I brushed over or was mistaken in.

SHADDUP !!!  Peeless.

However I might add, that doing as I do on posting another's question is far more effective , simply copy and paste the point in question, instead of using /posting a huge amount of space in blue, leaving the reader to have to find out by themselves by reading and sifting through the entire post to see just what and where you / they  are responding to.

As for Daryl, I have no idea if he obtained his data from you or from  one of the mountains of previous stories that were published on the subject before you were born.  However I would refrain from such statements in the future, especially on a public forum.   It could lead to a defamation / liable suit  because it  could lead to loss of reputation and business.

The place for that in EM or PM.

I enjoy Reading your posts , but it does get a bit tiresome when they are very long and skip around.   SOO relax and be a bit more concise  my friend.  Remember the old story of flies, sugar, and vinegar..

Don Jose de La Mancha

Rog. my ol hippy friend. How you been doing?
It's been a while. Thought maybe one of those goverment agents may have took you out.

                          Roadquest

[I welcome criticism on my posts and projects]

Real de Tayopa wrote:

Personally, I welcome  criticism on
my posts and projects.

Well okay amigo, but remember you asked for this...

Real de Tayopa also wrote

SHADDUP !!! 

I can't seem to find this word "shaddup" in my dictionary amigo, can you enlighten me as to what it means?  Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

hey oro,
 I think it's a compliment directed to the ladies ( wifes etc... )... at least that what the single guys say.

PLL

[WOW then I must get "compliments" ALL THE TIME!]

Really?  WOW then I must get "compliments" ALL THE TIME! 

aaaaa ( hey oro ) psssttt.....( in a whisper voice ) You might not want other people to know that... ok ?? Just trying to help mi amigo 

PLL

[AHA!]

AHA! I got what you are saying amigo - we don't want to make folks feel JEALOUS of how many "compliments" I get!    Thanks for the tip amigo, I would hate to ruin someone's day by making them feel jealous of my "compliments"! 

  whot n l is a lil "r" among friends? 

Pegger, As for ORO , did you ever drink his coffee ?? I understand that it burns out the urinary system lining, and the buggie shells act as an aphrodisiac  a la Spanish fly. hence the  descrptive  word ---peeeless..

I am sure that PEERLESS agrees with me.

Don Jose de La Mancah   (waitng for more data on La vicroria goodies Treasure Minder)

p.s. I wonder how ORO knows about Spanish fly? Is that part of a line shacks basics?

Don Jose', gambusino explorador extraordinaire whispered...

p.s. I wonder how ORO knows about Spanish fly? Is that part of a line shacks basics?

Spanish fly?  What is Spanish fly?      (Hey the sheep are not so dumb you know, they don't often get tangled in a fence!   )  Do they work the same way as blister beetles? 

How did you know about the line shacks?   

this is for the " lovers " in this post.....and you KNOW who you are 

PLL

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Pegleg - you sure know the way to a SHEEPherder's hart! 

Side note - I have been trying to talk the boss into "less  cattle, more  sheep" and he may be seeing the light - the cattle have only broken even or ran a loss for the last seven years, while the sheep have shown a profit <admittedly small, but the number of sheep is small> even through the drought.  You can run four to six sheep for every cow on the range, so it would mean increasing the sheep flock quite a bit and would have to pay much more attention to keeping the predators away, but heck I would sooner work with the sheep any day than the cattle!  Besides, grilled lamb chops over a mesquite fire...MMMMM! Too bad we don't have any mesquite around here. Sorry for getting side-tracked there amigos.)
Oroblanco

hey Oro,
 My ex was from Australia, and we ate a LOT of lamb or mutton. Boy could she cook a mean chop. My mouth is watering just thinking about. She also made a GREAT shepherds pie....

PLL

[Shepherd's Pie!]

Man, Pegleg - Shepherd's Pie! I haven't had that in at least a year.  Dang it I am getting hungry now too!  I just wish that lamb was not so durned expensive nowadays. 

Okay now I am going to drift here, having already drifted quite a bit. 

What do you guys think about the possibility that there could be OTHER caches of treasures located in the same general region as VP, but not in Victorio peak?  When we were visiting relatives in Alamogordo on the way here, I heard there are stories of other  treasures being in some other caves, in the hills on the west of White Sands.  Just stories, or could there be something to it?  Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

   Peerless has shaddup

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Yes, my Dads murder, my sisters murder
and myown torture by O.S.I. agents of the U.S. Government
is all factual.

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 Since the gold's gone, why don't you just discuss this? It's interesting in a "Bad Saturday Matinee" way. I've read your wanderings on a couple of different forums covering everything from being tortured to being shot at to King Solomon to the KGC.

 I'd like to hear what you've been through.

Yes, my Dads murder, my sisters murder
and myown torture by O.S.I. agents of the U.S. Government
is all factual.

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 Since the gold's gone, why don't you just discuss this? It's interesting in a "Bad Saturday Matinee" way. I've read your wanderings on a couple of different forums covering everything from being tortured to being shot at to King Solomon to the KGC.

 I'd like to hear what you've been through.
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Well JT, i prefer that you stick to watching your TV
Rog'

Very interesting comments!   I am surprised at how many comments were so close to the truth, and that the 'pros' outweighed the 'cons'------you 'pros' were mostly right...........and Tom Whittle knows what he's talking about !!   He was paid by Jack Anderson to investigate the entire story, and uncovered a lot of documentation.......He writes with authority !   But, whoever that was who said he had handled the crown is a liar !   NOBODY alive has handled that crown !

Wrong information!     Doc Noss did NOT need Ryan to fund any excavating---------Ryan claimed to have a source in Mexico where the gold could be sold---so Doc gathered up most, if not all, of the bars he had stashed in various  places to make up a sizeable lot for sale-----and the day before the 110 bars were to have been flown to Mexico, Doc apparently overheard a conversation that convinced him that Ryan planned to double cross him, and would not be coming back with any money !   So, enlisting the aid of an acquaintance, Tony Jolley, he spent the entire night hiding the 110 bars in various places----in some cases, the very same spots where they had been previously hidden...I know that he returned the final 30 bars to their original hiding  places---it is the only way he could have found his landmarks at 4 AM-------they were in a grassy field---each hole exactly 25 paces from the barbed wire fence, running along the road----and the 3 holes were exactly 1100 paces apart----Also, each hole measured 2 ft by 3 ft with the long axis pointed toward the fence---the bars were laid down in 2 rows of 5 bars, and only 6 inches deep !   It was a MILLION dollars in each hole !     some friends of Jolley were successful in finding them, using his clues----------Evidently, the copper impurities in the dory bars leached out into the soil, preventing the growth of grass, because there was a healthy growth of grass everywhere else!          There is another place where Doc buried the same number of bars, alongside a barbed wire fence, in a certain canyon, far enough away from the rest that they MIGHT still be there--------but unfortunately, they are also inside the missile range boundary------in a very pretty spot, and a very secluded area----Old Doc certainly knew his way around in those mountains !

[Well JT, i prefer that you stick to watching your TVRog']

Well JT, i prefer that you stick to watching your TV
Rog'

 About what I figured...all that nonsense about being followed around by "Government Agents" your whole life...being kidnapped and "tortured" multiple times...multiple "attempts" on your life by "Government Agents"...and it seems like I recall from either here or another forum you claiming that these "agents" inserted a tracking chip in you, too... ...I'm not even sure you can keep your stories straight anymore...

Seems to me that treasure-minder aka Roger Snow(?) has an aweful LOT to be aggrevated about. When the forum moderators delete his posts is like adding insult to injury, from my perspective. His being a descendant of Doc Noss(this is what I am assuming as factual), it also seems to me he should be shown an extra modicum of respect by all members here. Everyone OUTSIDE of this forum has been pissing on this man's leg and telling him it is raining, most of his life. His life has been a nightmare, I am sure. The moderators should be ashamed for doing what they did. They should have gone the extra mile with this man, at the very least asking him to accept their apologies for the wrongs they have done to him here. I don't see him flaming anyone. But, my experience has been that some people try to provoke others that are very tightly wrapped, as Roger is, JUST FOR SICK REASONS.And, they do it in such as a way as not to get noticed by the moderators.I'm NOT stating that is what has happenned here, but I have seen it on many other forums.They just kinds gently touch maybe two or three "buttons", then sit back and wait.Kinda like gentle-baiting. But, I personally am very supportive and sympathetic of his plight. People should take his long hard battles into consideration, and try to understand.

[assume]

His being a descendant of Doc Noss(this is what I am assuming as factual), it also seems to me he should be shown an extra modicum of respect by all members here. His life has been a nightmare, I am sure.  But, I personally am very supportive and sympathetic of his plight. People should take his long hard battles into consideration, and try to understand.

I see what you're saying..however, he's been on multiple forums for several years, telling increasingly bizarre stories...then when people question him, he disappears, and pops up on some other forum under another name. He disappeared from here in January, never to return...and I'm sure I'll stumble onto him sooner or later on some other site, telling his tall tales under another moniker.

You even admit that you have to assume what he's saying is true. If you're going to spin outrageous yarns, ranging from having "tracking chips" implanted in his body, being "followed" for his entire life by a cadre of "government agents", then being periodically kidnapped, tortured, and set free...only to have the entire cycle repeat itself, have all of this tie into the Kennedy assassination, plus having multiple family members supposedly murdered by the same agents that have been torturing and releasing him for the better part of 40 or 50 years......then eventually someone's going to question it.

It's human nature to want to believe those tall tales. I could register here under a different name, and tell a completely fabricated story intertwining government conspiracies, Area 51, "men in black", lost treasure, the KGC, the CIA, and military coverups, and find an audience that not only laps it up and agrees..but eventually someone will even spice the story up by adding on corroborating experiences of their own. It's happened everywhere else he's posted.

Morbius,

Roger never claimed (that I know of) to be descended from Doc Noss. His dad came along after the fact and Roger states that he knows not only about the tunnels under Victorio, but tunnels under another mountain nearby, which was why he was (supposedly) murdered by Uncle Sam.

Martian,

You are correct about Tom Whittle. He wrote the most referenced and well researched article about the story that I have yet to find. I have links to it (and the official WSMR Article) on my website (1oro1.com). Tom also spent many months living with the Noss Family while writing the story. He has many pictures (including one where a Noss Family Friend is wearing some of the Spanish Armor from the cave). Tom is also in the process of writing a book on this subject, and doesn't give out much in the way of information.

Best-Mike

[tunnels under another mountain]

Mike, thanks for posting your website address again, haven't visited it lately and had lost the link. I could not remember it but won't lose it again. My compliments on your website BTW, excellent! 

Oops - almost forgot to add this.

Gollum wrote

Roger states that he knows not only about the tunnels under Victorio, but tunnels under another mountain nearby,

That is interesting, for while we were visiting relatives in Alamagordo, <2 years ago> there was local "talk" about the existence of other tunnels in a different mountain which lies outside the restricted missile range.  I wonder now where this rumor is founded, fact or fiction?
Roy ~ Oroblanco

Mike/gollum:  I had a bit of a problem locating the story about Dic Noss at your website www.1oro1.com  .   HERE is the direct link at your website:  http://www.1oro1.com/Hidden%20Caches/victoriopeak.html   Direct link to article: http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol18I10/index.htm    You are correct.That is the BEST article about this topic I ever read, too!! Many thanks!!

Sorry, I probably should have posted the exact link.

I haven't talked to Tom in a few months, but I can't wait to get more info on his new book. I'll post more when I find out.

Best-Mike

This whole story has amazed me for years. In the article gollum referenced, there was a Captain that discovered a different cave than Doc Noss. He mentioned counting one pile of gold bars in that cave being 600 @ 60 pounds each. He said that there were several piles in that cave. I conservatively put the value of that small treasure(compared to what Doc Noss found) at $4.5Billion!!

[is]

Roger is in no way related to the Noss family.  He is the son of the late Harvey Snow.  The alleged 'other cavern' was identified as being located under Hardscrabble Peak, but this was disinformation given by Harvey to the guy who wrote 100 Tons of Gold.  There allegedly is another cavern in the San Andreas Range - whereabouts unknown.

the government does what it wants when it wants

I was told lone ago from my friend,who is now dead.  that  Victorio Peak and others in the southwest,and up into utah was where the really the true  King Solomon's Mines .long lost and not found.  there is some info. to prove they was over here. think about it,it the best hidden place of all,in a place no one knew about.untill the 1400
and if these are real ancient bars.
and i think thay are,it could very well be one of  King Solomon's Mines
and most likely the indain found it long ago and started putting other loot on top of if.
i am not a real smart man,not like some of the guys here,but i do read a whole lot.
what do u guys think?

I agree with everything you've said here, littlejohn.  I also believe that these locations are not, and never have been, 'lost', but are still under control of their owners.   

According to some the of the stories related to this tale, Doc Noss leased the land from the State Gov. and filed a Treasure Trove claim.

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/HC-Treasures6.html

In the spring of 1938, Doc Noss and Babe went to  Santa Fe to establish legal ownership of the find, filing a lease with the State of  New Mexico for the entire section of land surrounding Victorio Peak. Subsequently, he also filed several mining claims on and around Victorio Peak, as well as a treasure trove claim. With legal ownership established, Noss began to openly work the claim, but he also became increasingly paranoid, hiding the gold bars all over the desert.

I have just finished reading the autobiography of Col. Charles Askins. According to him the land Victorio Peak is located on was privately owned at the time of Doc Noss's alleged find. It was a 50,000 acre cattle ranch owned by the Cox family. Col. Askins was good friends with the Cox clan, whose father was the same W. W. Cox involved in the killing of Pat Garrett, and he hunted all over that ranch at the time of the discovery. Now that begs the question, how can someone lease privately owned land from the State Government?

I should also point out that Col. Askins makes no mention of Victorio Peak or any gold discovery but that he was an avid hunter and lamented over the lost hunting ground do to the establishment of the White Sands Missile Range. He stated it was some of the finest quail hunting land he had ever known. I also feel that the amount of activity described in the Doc Noss tale wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the Cox family, considering that it was a working cattle ranch and the frequent hunts by the family and friends.

A little background on Askins:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_143_23/ai_56221628/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Askins

Now based off his book, the above article, and the history of the Cox Clan something tells me that they wouldn't have abided some guy and his wife poking around on the ranch and living in a tent without at least confronting them. If not outright running them off.

According to some the of the stories related to this tale, Doc Noss leased the land from the State Gov. and filed a Treasure Trove claim.

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/HC-Treasures6.html

In the spring of 1938, Doc Noss and Babe went to  Santa Fe to establish legal ownership of the find, filing a lease with the State of  New Mexico for the entire section of land surrounding Victorio Peak. Subsequently, he also filed several mining claims on and around Victorio Peak, as well as a treasure trove claim. With legal ownership established, Noss began to openly work the claim, but he also became increasingly paranoid, hiding the gold bars all over the desert.

I have just finished reading the autobiography of Col. Charles Askins. According to him the land Victorio Peak is located on was privately owned at the time of Doc Noss's alleged find. It was a 50,000 acre cattle ranch owned by the Cox family. Col. Askins was good friends with the Cox clan, whose father was the same W. W. Cox involved in the killing of Pat Garrett, and he hunted all over that ranch at the time of the discovery. Now that begs the question, how can someone lease privately owned land from the State Government?

I should also point out that Col. Askins makes no mention of Victorio Peak or any gold discovery but that he was an avid hunter and lamented over the lost hunting ground do to the establishment of the White Sands Missile Range. He stated it was some of the finest quail hunting land he had ever known. I also feel that the amount of activity described in the Doc Noss tale wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the Cox family, considering that it was a working cattle ranch and the frequent hunts by the family and friends.

A little background on Askins:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_143_23/ai_56221628/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Askins

Now based off his book, the above article, and the history of the Cox Clan something tells me that they wouldn't have abided some guy and his wife poking around on the ranch and living in a tent without at least confronting them. If not outright running them off.

Col Bigmouth is a pretty leaky vessel to be shipping much hope on .

Col Bigmouth is a pretty leaky vessel to be shipping much hope on .

Care to elaborate on that? His "fame" was before my time so all I really know about the man is what he wrote in his book.

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