new Whites

[BW]

The new Whites  detector is being used at a CW hunt in Virginia and, from a telephone call I received a few minutes ago, it may interest you to know that on this CW site it has been producing very, very well. I was told that the individual using it was following other detectors (all makes) and recovering bullets and buttons that were not being picked up by those detectors. Thought you might be interested.
BW

[Bob in Pa]

Can't wait to see it

[2Old]

So is it the new PI?

[walleye]

    Awesome,I wonder how it will perform in the field!

[BW]

if I could remember how to post a picture I would show you what it looks like. From the telephone call I received it was working really well in the bad, bad ground of that site.
BW

[Tin Nugget]

LET THE HYPE BEGIN!!!!
And I hope it's all true!!!!

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi,

Believe it, it's true. Better yet, this is only one of the prototypes. The finished units are going to be better. I think this unit will take the relic hunting world by storm. Dead ground is going to come alive again.

Steve Herschbach

[rluka]

[BW]

thanks for getting that picture up it the same one I saw. I don't think too much is hype. The person who called me said he watched the Whites detector follow behind those other detectors and hit targets they couldn't find. When they were asked to check the targets located by the Whites they couldn't hear it at all. And the person who called me is not a Whites user. One other rumour he picked up is that the Whites will come with a price tag of $1500.00. Again, that is the price he was told.
BW

[Research and Recovery]

I'LL TAKE ONE!!! 

[Sidecar]

I think it's great to hear about a new detector coming out.  I'm just getting back into it after many years off.
Does anyone have a clue when this will be available?  I've asked 3 dealors here in Colorado and called Whites today.
They all denied there is a new detector coming.  I guess I'll have to get a MXT, which sounds fine to me, but I'll be a little
upset if this new detector comes out in a few weeks.
By the way, hi everyone.

[rluka]

This is a direct quote taken off a dealers (in San Francisco) website ..

White's Twin Domain Pulsemaster, $?  Introduction Date: Spring or Summer of 2008
Comment: After over a year of field testing at the beach and gold fields, this detector is currently under development and all I can say now is it will be ergonomically superior with analog out put and several advances i can't talk about. White's Electronics and Eric Foster, the Father of Pulse Technology,  are now in a long term partnership and advancements have continued  to be made.   White's Project Engineer continues to develop the prototypes in their final stages in addition to a new array of search heads.   The TDI will be optimized to be used with MONO Loops which can detect deeper over the wide scan counterparts.   I'm expecting White's to release this NEW Detector around the Spring of 2008.   By the way, using the earlier pre-prototype model, down at Surfers Beach, Half Moon Bay, I dug Tear Drops down about 10" with Lower Gain Levels and a nickel at almost 18".   At Marlin Beach in Foster City, using an 8" Mono Loop, I detected a small diameter pipe I never new was in a part of the beach.   I uncovered it and measured the depth at 2 1/2 feet.   Even at 1/2 Sensitivity, I could raise the 8" Mono off in the air and could hear the pipe easily at 3 1/2 feet.   I just can't wait for the finalized product.   Eric Foster's units are well known, the Gold Quest and Goldscan 5B, and the TDI can trace part of its development back to these units as a foundation.   The TDI will indeed have several new advancements and will be a Great Detector to compliment whatever your arsenal of metal detectors is.   It will be well worth the wait.  Dan G is the White's Project Engineer and he has huddled with Eric Foster and Dan has come up with several enhancements, so I can't wait to get my hands on the latest prototype which is
being built as I type.

[2Old]

Hi Sidecar and welcome.... What part of Colorado you in?

2Old

[eagle-eye]

I haven't researched pi machines that much so I don't know much about them. Do they or will they use a vdi or are they tone only?

[Sidecar]

Thanks for the info guys, I guess I'll wait a few more weeks and see what happens.
I'm in Denver by the way.

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi sidecar,

The dealers are like most dealers. A Ground Balancing Pulse Induction (GBPI) unit is off their radar. Normally only dealers in gold country stock land GBPI units. Couple that with White's being the most close-mouthed bunch you ever met and you get the answer you got. I've been a White's dealer for going on 33 years and usually you never hear about a unit until they send you a flyer. The Internet has made it harder to keep a unit under wraps and so here we go.

My bet is the very fact this guy was allowed to post a picture of the prototype is good news. I have better pictures I took back in November, but no way was I posting them. You must understand that A. we are constrained by non-disclosure agreements and B. the companies rarely want anyone to see a prototype because they bear little resemblance to the finished product. They slap something together to test performance. The look, size, and weight do not matter. What you are looking at is identical to the prototype I tested last November. It could even be the same unit, although there was more than one.

So here is my guess, but remember I do not know. Really! White's gives me hints but I am always aware nothing will happen until the time is right. I'M GUESSING. I think we are close enough, and White's liked the results from this guys usage, that they let him post a photo. Either that, or he is a renegade and not going to see another prototype. And it is very likely the real unit when released will look so much better it will be a plus. Kind of like getting a date with that plain looking gal and then she shows up being a knockout!

I'm like the world's number one MXT booster. I turned on a lot of people to it's capabilities. This new unit is not an MXT. The MXT is one of the best, most versatile VLF detectors on the market today. This new unit is a powerful ground balancing pulse induction detector. It will not offer the fine degree of discrimination that can be had on a VLF unit like the MXT with it's numeric range based VDI target system. But it will offer the ability to punch deep in bad ground that foils VLF units. Mild ground, no huge advantage. The worse ground, the more advantage you will get. The redder the ground gets, the more you will like this new detector. But you will dig some junk, as the discrimination system is not what you would expect after using a unit like the MXT.

I am convinced that the nuances of the audio system on this unit will allow the smaller percentage of people who are skilled hunt-by-ear detectorists (like me!) to get very good results from this unit in difficult soils. I could tell it was talking to me but I did not have the time to learn the language. Novices need not apply. This is serious stuff for serious detectorists who will take the time to learn the unit and use it for what it is made for. And that is pulling up targets from difficult ground no VLF detector can touch.

If I sound like some kind of hype the product nut I can understand why you'd think so. I've not been so excited over a White's release in a long time. Some of it is because I personally had a bit player part in it. But mostly because it really is the type of unit I have wanted for a long time. Please do not read into this that I'm saying you need one or should buy one. This is not a detector for the masses. The truth is I have a hard time getting very excited over the latest VLF units. Yeah, neat stuff from time to time, but when it comes to sheer power it seems like we've tapped out. GBPI units can deliver that power fix I crave, and it is such I'm willing to accept their limitations.

Steve Herschbach

[makahaman]

Hi guys just to let you know that Whites will not be coming out with a new water unit!!  From what I have heard from the support department is that the only thing that they are going to do is revamp the Surfmaster PI.  So goodbye to the new underwater unit!! Oh well maybe in the future we may see some changes!!  I am happy for all the land guys now they will have an unreal deep seeking land unit and I know they will find the awesome stuff!!  Aloha 

[M-Taliesin]

I'LL TAKE ONE!!! 

Howdy!
I am all excited and hope to land one of those units soon after they appear in the shops. However, that color is nasty. I hope they make a change in that regard when the final units are distributed. I really like the jet black color of the MXT 300 and XLT that I currently own! It would be nifty if they go that direction. But the prototype color is not terribly appealing! Then again, I suppose one can put a bag over her head. After all, its performance that counts, and what we all want out of a machine!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

[M-Taliesin]

Thanks for the info guys, I guess I'll wait a few more weeks and see what happens.
I'm in Denver by the way.

Howdy Sidecar!
I live in Aurora, so we are practically neighbors. I have used an XLT since August and just a few weeks ago, added the MXT 300. Going to keep both of those units partly because my wife wants to hunt with me eventually.

Maybe you would like to go hunting with me one day, and check out the units I have and see how they perform in the field. They are sure nifty units, and I never come home empty handed... even if it's just a pocket full of clad, I always score something!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

[BW]

Steve the unit was being used at a CW land site in Virginia during an invitational hunt with over 300 other hunters. And yes it was a dealer using it. The information I posted was accurate because it was given to me by someone I trust completely, my son,  who was there and saw the results. He is not a Whites user for relics but uses another brand and isn't normally impressed very easily but he was very impressed with the performance of the Whites TDI. So no hype involved on his impressions of the detector. The ground in the area is very bad, I've hunted there in the past using all metal because of the constant change in the ground matrix and the need to ground balance frequently. What I'm curious about is this detector a land use unit or land and salt beach unit?
BW

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi BW,

Land and salt beach wader. It will be hip or chest mountable, and waterproof coils will be standard. I tested the unit on the basalt cobble infested beaches of Hawaii and it was easily the best machine I've ever used there. If White's does not make a submersible version before I return to Hawaii next winter I will. But for beaches and shallow water wading this unit will be superb.

Steve Herschbach

[BW]

Thanks Steve! My son was "Aghast" ( how about that word) when he saw its performance yesterday. He called me last evening to fill me in on the hunt and how it was going and said he had seen the new Whites detector and wanted one. I told him I thought he would have to stand in line. The price mentioned was approximately $1500.00 and my son, who is careful with money, said "it would be worth it." And if you knew him you'd understand that he had to be impressed to say that. He uses a Whites' PI on the salt beach and it would be nice if Whites made it, the new detector, waterproof as well. Hopefully...
BW

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi BW,

They need to get the land unit out first. They do not want to make the mistake Garrett did with the Infinium and try and sell an underwater unit for dry land use. So that is the current focus. A water version, if there ever is such a thing, I think will come much later. White's has their hands full at the moment.

But I think they'd be nuts not to leverage all the time and money that went into devloping this unit by not doing the obvious and stuffing it in an underwater case. It really boils down to if the circuit board can fit in the Surf PI box or Beachhunter box. If they can use an existing box then why not? But if they need a new box then they have another serious expense to deal with as those babies are not cheap.

Steve Herschbach

[Old California]

Depending on the size of the circuit board and battery source,  I may be able to make this waterproof...Of course, Will need to find out the value of the pots but it may be possible.

Paul (Ca)

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi Paul,

If White's does not do it by fall and if it can be done I'd be more than happy to send you one and pay for your time and materials. But let's wait and see what happens.

Steve Herschbach

[Sidecar]

Hey all,
I wanted  to say thanks for all the great info you've given me.
I must confess, I have been out of the detector business for 25 years so I may have a dumb question or two.
When I was active, back in Iowa in the late 70's as a teen, we were using coinmaster's 1-4 and a goldmaster 66tr.
These units seemed to work great, and we really cleaned up at Iowa state university.  Many old coins, I'm afraid I was spoiled.
We didn't have discriminate back then or a read out of depth.
I guess my question for the moment is, would this new PI detector,(which I believe I will buy and sounds like a coinmaster V)
have a digital readout like the other new detectors and tell the operater how deep the object is and what the target may be made of.
Wheww, that was a mouthfull for me!

Sidecar

PS.  Hi  M-Taliesin, yes I would like to get togther sometime.  Maybe in a few weeks.  By then, with luck, the new detector may be out and we can try it together.

Sidecar

[GroundSnooper]

Good luck with it BW! Everyone who has an MXT swears by them! I don't think you went wrong!

[BW]

I think we have are wires crossed GroundSnooper. I'm not buying an MXT. I was discussing the new detector that hasn't yet been released by Whites. I already have a DFX that I am very happy with but the new unit does interest me. Steve was good enough to update a few items relating to that unit.
BW

[Rudy]

Given who designed this beauty, it's bound to set a new benchmark in PI performance. No doubt about it.

At the projected selling price, you can't fault White's for doing some revamping to the PI Pro to keep a lower
price point PI in its stable.

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi Rudy,

Yeah, I agree. The Surf PI Pro is a super bargain and a good unit. Hopefully they put the pulse delay back on the unit.

sidecar, PI units to date have poor discrimination and a love of iron and steel targets. There will be no readout on this unit but it will allow a person to hunt coins with less trash than, for instance, the Surf PI Pro. But you will dig more junk than with a good IB (referred to these days as VLF) units and you will dig it deep. So this unit will be used more by prospectors, relic hunters, beach hunters, and others who are chasing high value targets in areas where digging deep holes is acceptable. People chasing high value targets are more willing to dig junk than someone digging pennies.

Steve Herschbach

[Sidecar]

Thanks Steve!  I guess I'm trying to make a decision on my experiences 30 years ago.  My family and I hit Iowa State University pretty hard, and my brother still does.  He believes there are gold coins there, but they must be very deep, 12 inches or more.
Whatever is left is deep and old, I'm defiantly not interested in digging new coins.  I do live in Colorado now and hope to do most of my detecting in the mountains.  Maybe I need the new PI and the MXT.  Sure wish the PI had a depth meter on it.

Sidecar

[CenterHit]

The full pic....

[Nitro 54]

Steve, will this new unit come any where near detecting gold as small as the GMT? I see on your website the new 4500 is getting close, but at 5000 dollars is way out of my league.

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi Nitro,

Well, nothing touches a GMT except the Gold Bug 2. This new PI will be about as good as an MXT on small gold but not going to hit sub-grain pieces like I can with the GMT.

The catch is if you are in ground so bad you have to really dial the GMT back. If the ground is severe enough then this unit could indeed show the GMT up.

Steve Herschbach

[Old California]

Sounds good Steve but I feel they will come out with a waterproof version soon after,  Just a limited amount at first.....But,  if not I'd be willing to take on such a project. 

HH, Paul (Ca)

[faster_frank]

Wow, I want one of the new TDI's!

For a special place in Virginia where I panned a nugget and CW relics spots in the same area! Bad ground, hot rocks and power lines!

HH

Frank,
fomer,
Industrial metal detector engineer,
former,
Whites and Minelab dealer

Comeback coming!

[Cougar Jim]

You know, I like the color on the prototype.
It kinda grows on you. Besides the light color will make it
a little cooler in the hot sun.

Jim

[BW]

Cougar Jim, from what I was told it won't be that color. I believe it will be black.
BW

[Cougar Jim]

Hi BW

 Black will be OK. I hope they use gold letters. Now that my wife
told me I could buy one I can't Wait. Although I am going to have
to find a dealer to buy one from.
The White's dealer here in K Falls does not except credit cards and
I can't get that much
cash on my card.

Jim

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi,

Go to http://www.findmall.com/read.php?52,695796 for a bunch more photos of the prototype White's PI detector. It is getting lots of buzz in relic hunting circles.

Steve Herschbach

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi,

Well, I figure it is out there now so might as well post one of my own. This is a picture of the White's PI prototype I tested on the island of Kauai last November. It handled that red volcanic soil with ease. I preferred hip mounting the unit for beach use.



This picture shows a small pendant and little tiny bead I found with the unit on the beach. Not bad for a PI unit as in general they are not noted for sensitivity to small items.



Steve Herschbach

[Robert-MXT]

what no display......wow....interesting....only the 3 indicator lights.....thanks

[pulltabsteve]

Bob, I think the lights tell how much battery life is left. It has 2 tone audio. Low tone for less than 40vdi. High tone for 40 and above. I want 1!

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi,

This unit favors those who hunt by ear - no meter. It is a pulse induction machine and do not mistake the way it works as being anything like a VDI type detector. It does use tones but it does not divide units by VDI number but in reference to the ground balance point. The results somewhat mimic the classic VDI scale divided in two but it is not the same. More later after the unit comes out. The LED system is just a pre-production battery test that will most likely not be on the final version. Remember, this is a prototype.

Steve Herschbach

[Robert-MXT]

Thanks Steve on a Great Photo and some insite to this machine......

[makahaman]

Hey Steve any word on the making of a water unit?  I have some places that I would love to look but need the depth.  Aloha 

[Greg, Trans Bay]

White's NEW TDI is not perception, it is reality and I expect White's to formally announce and release product to the dealers this April.   This will be a Spring Forward in Technology...

#1 TDI Circuit is Optimized around Mono Loop Technology as opposed to other Brand PIs which use Double D.    Since Double D is 1/2 a Loop, this NEW Mono Technology will have a distinct advantage as it is very quiet over challenging Turf and Beach Conditions.  Double Ds traditionally quieter over the mineral, are noisier under near magnetic interferrence and are 1/2 a Loop compared to Mono.

#2 New Generation of Mono Loop Design, Pat Pending.

Some photos taken last year at www.bigvalleymetaldetectors.com, CA

[Sidecar]

So, if I understand this correctly, this new detector will not let the operater know how deep the object is like the other Whites detectors!  Will this make targeting a bit more difficult?  Seems to me the object could be either 1 inch or 18 inches, sounds problematic , at least for me.

Sidecar

[Research and Recovery]

It's definitely going back old-school with the new-school technology.

[Sidecar]

Thanks, I thought I was missing something.

[Greg, Trans Bay]

Side Car....

This is not an 'Old School' Detector but NEW Advanced Technology requiring 'Home School'.... Larry from Big Valley knows exactly what I mean.

Once you learn the language and familiarize yourself with the TDI, you can easily determine target depth by the nature of the target response...  etc etc.   It is not going to have bells and whistles like a typical VLF detector which in the case of the DFX is selectivity next to none with Signagraph Technology on board.  As far as problematic, depends on your Detector IQ and Level of Experience.   This is not a mail order machine and a bit more complex.   Nonetheless,  I've had folks contact me that had problems understanding their Classic I which they purchased mail order with no support so it's an individual thing.... but I'd wait until you have an opportunity to contact your local Whites Professional for a Demonstration before you form an opinion of any metal detector not even on the market.   

The TDI's mission statement is to Cancel Out the Ground in Beach, Park, Gold Country applications to see Fringe-Deep targets your VLF Detector wouldn't normally hear.   At the Beach, a PI Detector can almost double the depth of a mid to top of the line metal detector.

Just ask the Living Legend, one of my Mentors, Jimmy Sierra (www.jimmysierra.com  'ask jimmy)

Sidecar... from a standpoint of the housing, the TDI may appear from the photos to have a similar dimension of an early vintage model as far as your memory goes... but that's 70s Technology-Design.   The REALITY (v Perception and Regressive Memory) is the Supreme 5 and Coinmaster 4/Goldmaster Chassis were enormous size by comparison.... White's Technicians referred to them affectionately as Lunch Boxes when an old  Coinmaster came in for repair.... they found an old moldey Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiched wedge toward the back of the box.

The TDI is streamline and very ergonomic by comparison.      I have a couple of those old time vintage detectors in stock.... nothing wrong with them and their 100 kHz circuit, although not particularly deep, are fun to run...  If I had a TDI in my possession, I'd put them side by side.   Supreme V was White's FIRST VLF Detector running between 1 kHz and 2 kHz with a Loop as heavy as a boat anchor.   Not like the 8" Spider Mono pictured in Steve's aforeshown photo which is light as a feather.... no reminder from that stand point.   

The TDI is on a SL configuration which is completely different from the handle on the box configuration of the old vintage detectors.   As we get older, our memories and recollection of what was and what is gets hazy so its understandable.   

This was an earlier Chest Mount Configuration which Digger Bob of Paradise Detector Sales didn't like because of its Size which was still smaller than the Vintage Detectors that tickled your brain. 
   

[Sidecar]

OK, thanks for the info.
Reminds me of my old coinmaster 5.

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi Greg,

Here I was ready to jump in on sidecar's side and fight with you over the Coinmaster V box. My memory also shrunk it down. I found a picture of one and sure enough, the old lunch box, about twice the height of the TDI control box. Isn't nostalgia great!

Steve Herschbach

[Tom_in_CA]

Sidecar:  As you know, the depth measure bars on our modern VLF machines are callibrated for coin-size targets.   So for example, a soda can at 12", might read as being a target at 2", or whatever.   But for places where a hunter doesn't want to dig shallow targets (like in the turf, if he's trying to pass clad), the depth bar gives a lot of fun information.   The same information can be sensed by going by the sound of the target too.  Ie.: how loud the beep is.   (As long as you don't have your gain tuned so high, that even the deep targets sound exactly like the shallow ones).   For example:  the guys who've been hunting the beach with various pulse machines for 20-ish years now, can tell deep vs shallow, even though they have no depth meter.   They're just going by sound.   So yes, you should be able to tell the difference between 1" vs 18" deep targets.

[Greg, Trans Bay]

Steve,

I had to think for a second because the Supreme 5, Coinmaster IVs were similar in Box Size.   The 66Ts, Goldmaster Is were Longer and not as Thick.   I wasn't trying to DeRail Sidecar's perception, but estimating the depth of a coin size target in the ground is like most circumstances involving Source and Sound. 

I call this ADD or Audio Depth Discrimination.   

I'll use my Bride of over 30 years, Jenzilla....   When she is in Nagging-Complaining Mode, the closer my ear drum is to her volcal cords, the stronger the audio-sound pressure response.   The further I am away, the softer the audio.   Determing the Distance is as simple as that and I don't need to rely on an Intensity Meter or Coin Depth Meter to visualize the distance.

[pulltabsteve]

Nice way of explaining it Greg, Thanks.

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi,

White's has been in a bit of a lull recently. Really nothing I've cared about much since the MXT came out. The M6 is a nice little unit but nothing very earth shaking.

So it is nice to see not only a new detector from White's but something radically new for them. I've been using PI units more than VLF units the last couple years and I've been getting hooked on the sheer power. I've been experimenting with the Garrett and Minelab units for urban detecting the last couple years but have had issues with electrical interference with both. The Garrett offers little in the way of user controls, and the Minelab units are ergonomically challenging when used as an in-town detector. And expensive! All my concerns with those units have been answered and more in the White's PI prototype and I can't wait to see what White's cooks up for a final release. I suspect this is going to become my primary use detector with other machines relegated to niche uses.

The next year is going to be an exciting one for White's!

Steve Herschbach

[Greg, Trans Bay]

Steve,

One of the drawbacks on DD or Wide Scan is their vulnerability to Power Line Interference.

Not so much with the MONO Technology and unless White's changes it, this circuit has a Manual Noise Reduction control.

Side Car.... Pulse Induction in a sense is like the pin point mode... single channel so as you get over the Target CENTER, the amplitude of the Signal Peaks in Either a HIGH Tone (Low Conductor) or LOW Tone (High Conductor) so no having to switch modes etc.

Giant One... Pulse Operates like Pin Point.

Trans Bay to Alaska Steve; I have it on 'Sources' that Everything is complete and affirmed... even another source filtered through the dealer network went so far as to say that Whites is boxing them now?   RUMORS     4/21/08  Seems like Rumors were filtered BS.   Whites is in the process of tweaking and fine tuning the final results--- perfecting a very exciting effective circuit--- and retesting to get it RIGHT!!!     This is what evolved out of the MXT.... I was fully involved in testing that particular model.   When I finally gave it a thumbs up (very happy with the results) it was almost an additional month that Whites continued refinements and the end result was A Plus.

[giant056]

does it have pinpointing or is it a non motion detector

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi,

This just in from Digger Bob on another forum:

"Batteries will be "drop in" Lithium... unless something changes soon. Not sure how long it takes to charge, but the one I used lasted 10 hours and still showed a "full charge"."

It is a motion unit like nearly all detectors these days. I'm not sure if the final unit has a pinpoint function but I saw no need for one myself.

Steve Herschbach

[Cougar Jim]

 My dealer just told me the new detector is coming out in June. She said she talked to Sweet Home today and they said it will have knobs but is computerised
inside. What ever that means? She also said the color will be tan. I don't know how much of this is true, She talks to a friend at White's but I don't know if she works in the office or in the shop. I just don't know what to believe any more.

Jim

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi Jim,

I don't think so on both counts. But hey, I could be wrong!

Check out how well the new unit does on tiny gold at http://www.nuggethunting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4864

Steve Herschbach

[Cougar Jim]

 Hi Steve

Hey that is a small picker there. My GM3 would struggle with that one at 3"
especially in hot ground.
I don't mind if it is Tan in color. I just hope it comes out before June.

Jim

[Robert-MXT]

wow this thing is starting to sound very exciting more by the day.....

[Carver]

wow this thing is starting to sound very exciting more by the day.....

This new tector does sound awesome,,,,,, Would love to actually see one!!!

[Nitro 54]

It seems their is a water version being tested too, here is some info that I found.


Lately I have had the pleasure and privilage to test the one and only new Pulse induction Underwater detector prototype for Whites. This detector features the brand new technology of a duel coil head. I believe the same technolgy is being used on their new land based PI unit that is also coming out. Jimmy Sierra is perfecting that detector.  The new technology gives the Underwater unit more depth and sensitivity, while also making it a pleasure to use in heavily mineralized ground conditions. Also features a pulse delay, which means you can sweep the coil as fast as you want, and it recovers nicely. I made one dive on a site and pulled some nice coins and a great artifact. The artifact was pulled from about 12 inches and the coins from about 8 inches of depth. I was getting targets at greater depths but due to time restraints I went for loud and easy targets. Besides with a broken wrist I felt lucky even to be diving. Here are some pics of the silver artifact and silver reales recovered. Also have some copper coins that I am cleaning. Will update this forum as I dive with RSOP's on the capitana and how the detector works down there.

[odave]

Sounds like an awesome detector,reading all these post I think everybody wants one

[makahaman]

I would hope to see a water version of the land version PI.  Hey Nitro where did you find that post?  Hope to see more information about this new water version PI!!!  I need a water detector with more depth that would be nice!!  Please keep us water guys informed.  Aloha 

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi makahaman,,

I doubt it is an underwater version of the White's land PI that the poster is referring to. Hopefully we will see such a thing but it will not be soon. White's is working furiously on getting the land version done. Somebody should write a story someday on how much effort goes into bringing a product like a metal detector to market. I tseems it would be simple but in reality it is anything but.

Steve Herschbach

[blackbikebob]

Howdy All

I noticed a "D" ring on the side of the new PI detector. A chest mount maybe?

BBB

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi,

Rod mount, chest mount, hip mount. I like that as it is getting rarer and rarer these days. Everything seems to be going to rod mounted pod designs. That is fine for most stuff but for wading or for just sheer long hours of swinging I prefer alternatives.

Steve Herschbach

[Greg, Trans Bay]

Steve,

Last Summer, at heavily mineralized Lake Tahoe, I used a variety of different detectors (Several Pulse, Multi-Frequency and Single Frequency Detectors-- not all Whites Electronics).   In years prior, a list of about 20 different makes and models going back to 1990.

For about six hours I used a White's Goldmaster GMT Chestmount, special edition and mounted a 4x6" Coil because the 6x10 tended to be a bit too boyant.   

With this combination, the Goldmaster did an excellent job popping out coins including a Morgan Peace Dollar and my best find for the summer, an 18K Gold Ring with 6 small diamonds.   Deepest coins were at about 7 to 8". 
 
The Goldmaster GMT Chestmount was very effective at the splash line.    I was hoping for some gold chains but just didn't get over any.    The Goldmaster as you know reads out the general strength of the ground as well as the % of Iron; Zero to 100% in the metal targets.   

What I began to realize was the Follow The Black Sand Numbers... as they increased and approached 60s into the 80s, the Iron Indicators ability to Identify a Ferrous versus Non-Ferrous Target was affected.   Nails would read 70% and Coins would read 30 to 50%.    Once over a sand bar where the % of Black Sand dipped down in the 30s or 20s, the Nails would read 100% and the Coins Zero%.   I'm not sure what the ground readings in Alaska are but this could prove to be useful in indentifying various targets Under The Influence of Black Sand.

Incidentally, listening to my mentor, Jimmy Sierra, I took two detectors to Terry C's Territory, on the Big Island of Hawaii; White's Surfmaster PI Pro for underwater and a Goldmaster standard configuration.   Overall, I was pleased with its performance over the black coral and wet salt which did require precise tuning.

Back home, at times, I've used the use it to hunt for deep lower conductives in a Surf or Turf Setting  and prefer using the 12" Hot Shot, as it is incredibly deep and easier to head the round desireable targets better.    Unfortunately, I just spoke with Jimmy and there are no current plans to produce another run of the Goldmaster GMT Chest Mounts.

Back  to the TDI which also has Jimmy Sierra and Paradise Digger Bob's input on the design... I'm looking forward to testing it up in the Lake Tahoe Area venturing just past my knees over some of those sand bars which can be several feet deep.   I'll report back the results sometime before Halloween... which should be a real treat.

[RTP]

I hope the new TDI will be out before Halloween.  Trick or Treat.......Rick

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the tip. Got me to thinking for sure!

Steve Herschbach

[Cougar Jim]

 I am not one to go around repeating gossip so you better listen close the first
time. The new TDI will be flat black, straight from Sweet Home.
(unless they change their minds)

Jim

[Sidecar]

I keep reading about different dates for the new detectors release, from end of April to June!
Does anyone have a more specific date that they have heard about?

Sidecar

[Cougar Jim]

Sidecar
The man at White's said the new TDI will be out in about a month. I don't want to reveal his name because he might not like to be put on the spot.
The White's dealer near my home is trying to find out all she can by talking to the people at Sweet Home. They are still testing this machine and there could be more changes. I think they are trying very hard to get it right the first time around.
 White's has never put out a bad machine and this is why.

Jim

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