new Whites

[BW]

The new Whites  detector is being used at a CW hunt in Virginia and, from a telephone call I received a few minutes ago, it may interest you to know that on this CW site it has been producing very, very well. I was told that the individual using it was following other detectors (all makes) and recovering bullets and buttons that were not being picked up by those detectors. Thought you might be interested.
BW

[Bob in Pa]

Can't wait to see it

[2Old]

So is it the new PI?

[walleye]

    Awesome,I wonder how it will perform in the field!

[BW]

if I could remember how to post a picture I would show you what it looks like. From the telephone call I received it was working really well in the bad, bad ground of that site.
BW

[Tin Nugget]

LET THE HYPE BEGIN!!!!
And I hope it's all true!!!!

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi,

Believe it, it's true. Better yet, this is only one of the prototypes. The finished units are going to be better. I think this unit will take the relic hunting world by storm. Dead ground is going to come alive again.

Steve Herschbach

[rluka]

[BW]

thanks for getting that picture up it the same one I saw. I don't think too much is hype. The person who called me said he watched the Whites detector follow behind those other detectors and hit targets they couldn't find. When they were asked to check the targets located by the Whites they couldn't hear it at all. And the person who called me is not a Whites user. One other rumour he picked up is that the Whites will come with a price tag of $1500.00. Again, that is the price he was told.
BW

[Research and Recovery]

I'LL TAKE ONE!!! 

[Sidecar]

I think it's great to hear about a new detector coming out.  I'm just getting back into it after many years off.
Does anyone have a clue when this will be available?  I've asked 3 dealors here in Colorado and called Whites today.
They all denied there is a new detector coming.  I guess I'll have to get a MXT, which sounds fine to me, but I'll be a little
upset if this new detector comes out in a few weeks.
By the way, hi everyone.

[rluka]

This is a direct quote taken off a dealers (in San Francisco) website ..

White's Twin Domain Pulsemaster, $?  Introduction Date: Spring or Summer of 2008
Comment: After over a year of field testing at the beach and gold fields, this detector is currently under development and all I can say now is it will be ergonomically superior with analog out put and several advances i can't talk about. White's Electronics and Eric Foster, the Father of Pulse Technology,  are now in a long term partnership and advancements have continued  to be made.   White's Project Engineer continues to develop the prototypes in their final stages in addition to a new array of search heads.   The TDI will be optimized to be used with MONO Loops which can detect deeper over the wide scan counterparts.   I'm expecting White's to release this NEW Detector around the Spring of 2008.   By the way, using the earlier pre-prototype model, down at Surfers Beach, Half Moon Bay, I dug Tear Drops down about 10" with Lower Gain Levels and a nickel at almost 18".   At Marlin Beach in Foster City, using an 8" Mono Loop, I detected a small diameter pipe I never new was in a part of the beach.   I uncovered it and measured the depth at 2 1/2 feet.   Even at 1/2 Sensitivity, I could raise the 8" Mono off in the air and could hear the pipe easily at 3 1/2 feet.   I just can't wait for the finalized product.   Eric Foster's units are well known, the Gold Quest and Goldscan 5B, and the TDI can trace part of its development back to these units as a foundation.   The TDI will indeed have several new advancements and will be a Great Detector to compliment whatever your arsenal of metal detectors is.   It will be well worth the wait.  Dan G is the White's Project Engineer and he has huddled with Eric Foster and Dan has come up with several enhancements, so I can't wait to get my hands on the latest prototype which is
being built as I type.

[2Old]

Hi Sidecar and welcome.... What part of Colorado you in?

2Old

[eagle-eye]

I haven't researched pi machines that much so I don't know much about them. Do they or will they use a vdi or are they tone only?

[Sidecar]

Thanks for the info guys, I guess I'll wait a few more weeks and see what happens.
I'm in Denver by the way.

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi sidecar,

The dealers are like most dealers. A Ground Balancing Pulse Induction (GBPI) unit is off their radar. Normally only dealers in gold country stock land GBPI units. Couple that with White's being the most close-mouthed bunch you ever met and you get the answer you got. I've been a White's dealer for going on 33 years and usually you never hear about a unit until they send you a flyer. The Internet has made it harder to keep a unit under wraps and so here we go.

My bet is the very fact this guy was allowed to post a picture of the prototype is good news. I have better pictures I took back in November, but no way was I posting them. You must understand that A. we are constrained by non-disclosure agreements and B. the companies rarely want anyone to see a prototype because they bear little resemblance to the finished product. They slap something together to test performance. The look, size, and weight do not matter. What you are looking at is identical to the prototype I tested last November. It could even be the same unit, although there was more than one.

So here is my guess, but remember I do not know. Really! White's gives me hints but I am always aware nothing will happen until the time is right. I'M GUESSING. I think we are close enough, and White's liked the results from this guys usage, that they let him post a photo. Either that, or he is a renegade and not going to see another prototype. And it is very likely the real unit when released will look so much better it will be a plus. Kind of like getting a date with that plain looking gal and then she shows up being a knockout!

I'm like the world's number one MXT booster. I turned on a lot of people to it's capabilities. This new unit is not an MXT. The MXT is one of the best, most versatile VLF detectors on the market today. This new unit is a powerful ground balancing pulse induction detector. It will not offer the fine degree of discrimination that can be had on a VLF unit like the MXT with it's numeric range based VDI target system. But it will offer the ability to punch deep in bad ground that foils VLF units. Mild ground, no huge advantage. The worse ground, the more advantage you will get. The redder the ground gets, the more you will like this new detector. But you will dig some junk, as the discrimination system is not what you would expect after using a unit like the MXT.

I am convinced that the nuances of the audio system on this unit will allow the smaller percentage of people who are skilled hunt-by-ear detectorists (like me!) to get very good results from this unit in difficult soils. I could tell it was talking to me but I did not have the time to learn the language. Novices need not apply. This is serious stuff for serious detectorists who will take the time to learn the unit and use it for what it is made for. And that is pulling up targets from difficult ground no VLF detector can touch.

If I sound like some kind of hype the product nut I can understand why you'd think so. I've not been so excited over a White's release in a long time. Some of it is because I personally had a bit player part in it. But mostly because it really is the type of unit I have wanted for a long time. Please do not read into this that I'm saying you need one or should buy one. This is not a detector for the masses. The truth is I have a hard time getting very excited over the latest VLF units. Yeah, neat stuff from time to time, but when it comes to sheer power it seems like we've tapped out. GBPI units can deliver that power fix I crave, and it is such I'm willing to accept their limitations.

Steve Herschbach

[makahaman]

Hi guys just to let you know that Whites will not be coming out with a new water unit!!  From what I have heard from the support department is that the only thing that they are going to do is revamp the Surfmaster PI.  So goodbye to the new underwater unit!! Oh well maybe in the future we may see some changes!!  I am happy for all the land guys now they will have an unreal deep seeking land unit and I know they will find the awesome stuff!!  Aloha 

[M-Taliesin]

I'LL TAKE ONE!!! 

Howdy!
I am all excited and hope to land one of those units soon after they appear in the shops. However, that color is nasty. I hope they make a change in that regard when the final units are distributed. I really like the jet black color of the MXT 300 and XLT that I currently own! It would be nifty if they go that direction. But the prototype color is not terribly appealing! Then again, I suppose one can put a bag over her head. After all, its performance that counts, and what we all want out of a machine!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

[M-Taliesin]

Thanks for the info guys, I guess I'll wait a few more weeks and see what happens.
I'm in Denver by the way.

Howdy Sidecar!
I live in Aurora, so we are practically neighbors. I have used an XLT since August and just a few weeks ago, added the MXT 300. Going to keep both of those units partly because my wife wants to hunt with me eventually.

Maybe you would like to go hunting with me one day, and check out the units I have and see how they perform in the field. They are sure nifty units, and I never come home empty handed... even if it's just a pocket full of clad, I always score something!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

[BW]

Steve the unit was being used at a CW land site in Virginia during an invitational hunt with over 300 other hunters. And yes it was a dealer using it. The information I posted was accurate because it was given to me by someone I trust completely, my son,  who was there and saw the results. He is not a Whites user for relics but uses another brand and isn't normally impressed very easily but he was very impressed with the performance of the Whites TDI. So no hype involved on his impressions of the detector. The ground in the area is very bad, I've hunted there in the past using all metal because of the constant change in the ground matrix and the need to ground balance frequently. What I'm curious about is this detector a land use unit or land and salt beach unit?
BW

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi BW,

Land and salt beach wader. It will be hip or chest mountable, and waterproof coils will be standard. I tested the unit on the basalt cobble infested beaches of Hawaii and it was easily the best machine I've ever used there. If White's does not make a submersible version before I return to Hawaii next winter I will. But for beaches and shallow water wading this unit will be superb.

Steve Herschbach

[BW]

Thanks Steve! My son was "Aghast" ( how about that word) when he saw its performance yesterday. He called me last evening to fill me in on the hunt and how it was going and said he had seen the new Whites detector and wanted one. I told him I thought he would have to stand in line. The price mentioned was approximately $1500.00 and my son, who is careful with money, said "it would be worth it." And if you knew him you'd understand that he had to be impressed to say that. He uses a Whites' PI on the salt beach and it would be nice if Whites made it, the new detector, waterproof as well. Hopefully...
BW

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi BW,

They need to get the land unit out first. They do not want to make the mistake Garrett did with the Infinium and try and sell an underwater unit for dry land use. So that is the current focus. A water version, if there ever is such a thing, I think will come much later. White's has their hands full at the moment.

But I think they'd be nuts not to leverage all the time and money that went into devloping this unit by not doing the obvious and stuffing it in an underwater case. It really boils down to if the circuit board can fit in the Surf PI box or Beachhunter box. If they can use an existing box then why not? But if they need a new box then they have another serious expense to deal with as those babies are not cheap.

Steve Herschbach

[Old California]

Depending on the size of the circuit board and battery source,  I may be able to make this waterproof...Of course, Will need to find out the value of the pots but it may be possible.

Paul (Ca)

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi Paul,

If White's does not do it by fall and if it can be done I'd be more than happy to send you one and pay for your time and materials. But let's wait and see what happens.

Steve Herschbach

[Sidecar]

Hey all,
I wanted  to say thanks for all the great info you've given me.
I must confess, I have been out of the detector business for 25 years so I may have a dumb question or two.
When I was active, back in Iowa in the late 70's as a teen, we were using coinmaster's 1-4 and a goldmaster 66tr.
These units seemed to work great, and we really cleaned up at Iowa state university.  Many old coins, I'm afraid I was spoiled.
We didn't have discriminate back then or a read out of depth.
I guess my question for the moment is, would this new PI detector,(which I believe I will buy and sounds like a coinmaster V)
have a digital readout like the other new detectors and tell the operater how deep the object is and what the target may be made of.
Wheww, that was a mouthfull for me!

Sidecar

PS.  Hi  M-Taliesin, yes I would like to get togther sometime.  Maybe in a few weeks.  By then, with luck, the new detector may be out and we can try it together.

Sidecar

[GroundSnooper]

Good luck with it BW! Everyone who has an MXT swears by them! I don't think you went wrong!

[BW]

I think we have are wires crossed GroundSnooper. I'm not buying an MXT. I was discussing the new detector that hasn't yet been released by Whites. I already have a DFX that I am very happy with but the new unit does interest me. Steve was good enough to update a few items relating to that unit.
BW

[Rudy]

Given who designed this beauty, it's bound to set a new benchmark in PI performance. No doubt about it.

At the projected selling price, you can't fault White's for doing some revamping to the PI Pro to keep a lower
price point PI in its stable.

[Steve Herschbach]

Hi Rudy,

Yeah, I agree. The Surf PI Pro is a super bargain and a good unit. Hopefully they put the pulse delay back on the unit.

sidecar, PI units to date have poor discrimination and a love of iron and steel targets. There will be no readout on this unit but it will allow a person to hunt coins with less trash than, for instance, the Surf PI Pro. But you will dig more junk than with a good IB (referred to these days as VLF) units and you will dig it deep. So this unit will be used more by prospectors, relic hunters, beach hunters, and others who are chasing high value targets in areas where digging deep holes is acceptable. People chasing high value targets are more willing to dig junk than someone digging pennies.

Steve Herschbach

[Sidecar]

Thanks Steve!  I guess I'm trying to make a decision on my experiences 30 years ago.  My family and I hit Iowa State University pretty hard, and my brother still does.  He believes there are gold coins there, but they must be very deep, 12 inches or more.
Whatever is left is deep and old, I'm defiantly not interested in digging new coins.  I do live in Colorado now and hope to do most of my detecting in the mountains.  Maybe I need the new PI and the MXT.  Sure wish the PI had a depth meter on it.

Sidecar